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Mohammed’s Radio, by Martha Thomases – Brilliant Disguise

July 30, 2011 Martha Thomases 31 Comments

It’s tough out there for a Muslim.  

For example, if a Muslim happens to live in Oklahoma, and wants to be assumed to be as much a part of his community as any of his neighbors, he’s out of luck.  

Jews know what this feels like.  No one has yet passed a law making kashrut illegal, but we have faced similar misconceptions about what our religion requires.  Some think Jesus was murdered because Jewish priests demanded it.  Some think we celebrate Passover by killing Christian babies to use their blood for matzoh.  Some think American Jews are more loyal to Israel than to our own country.

And some think every time a Muslim does something wrong, he does it because it’s part of his faith.

In this country, no one makes similar assumptions about Christians.  If someone is Christian and does something horrible (e.g. Timothy McVeigh in the aforementioned  Oklahoma), no one demands that other Christians denounce him.  

I get this.  Crazy people will use any excuse to justify their actions, even if it doesn’t make any sense.  We are not obliged to abridge our speech or modify our beliefs just because some lunatic might misunderstand something we say.  

However, if we expect to be taken seriously, we will be aware of how we sound, and we will speak up when we are misunderstood.

As an example, I suggest Anders Breivik, the nutcase who shot up a children’s camp in Norway and murdered more than 70 people.  According to what he himself wrote, he was heavily influenced by the kind of right-wing rhetoric with which we’ve become all too familiar in this country.  

I don’t think that all self-identified Tea Partiers want to shoot up a group of children, even when children belong to families with whom the Tea Party disagrees.  I do think it’s vile to use the situation to describe the killer as a Muslim.

All the evidence available thus far suggests that the only Muslim involvement was that their existence enraged Breivik.  And yet, Pamela Geller felt comfortable describing him as a “jihadist.”  

If we want to talk about what constitutes a jihadist, let us consider the Taliban.  They believe that the laws of God supersedes the laws of men, and that anyone who disagrees with them deserves to be punished.  Sound familiar?  It does if you’re an American who believes in equal rights for homosexuals or that a woman who wants to be able to control her reproductive organs, or if you think The Crusades was a bad idea.  We have people here who support a similar agenda.

Real Christians should denounce this kind of speech.  
Media Goddess Martha Thomases will celebrate her 31st wedding anniversary this week, and she expects plaudits and tribute.

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  1. Elisa Thomases
    July 30, 2011 - 8:59 am

    Good column Martha!!! And by the way, Happy Anniversary!!! Tell John that too.

  2. Martha Thomses
    July 30, 2011 - 9:33 am

    And happy birthday to you!

  3. Vinnie Bartilucci
    July 30, 2011 - 9:46 am

    “If someone is Christian and does something horrible (e.g. Timothy McVeigh in the aforementioned Oklahoma), no one demands that other Christians denounce him.”

    I disagree. If the act has a clear religious connection, there’s often the need to say “He’s not all of us”

    When abortion clinics get blown up, you’ll hear two types of comments, either “That’s not what we Christians are supposed to do, and he must be punished”, or the far more skeevy “Wellll, yes it was a shame that people were hurt, buuuuuuttttt…..”

  4. Martha Thomases
    July 30, 2011 - 11:27 am

    Christians aren’t denouncing this guy in Norway (or rather, they aren’t denouncing him in a place where I can find it), and he’s claiming to be one of them.

  5. Mike Gold
    July 30, 2011 - 11:58 am

    Nonsense. Bill O’Reilly says he’s NOT a Christian and anybody who says otherwise is a Christian hater. By the standards he’s defined, Popes Alexander II, Gregory VII and IX, Urban II, Innocent III (killer name, that), Martin IV, Kings Louis VII and IX, Conrad III, Phillip II, Richard the Lion-Hearted, Edward I, Eleanor of Aquitaine, St. Francis of Assisi, Emperors Frederick I and II, Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Clinton and Bush II, Janet Reno, Timothy McVeigh, virtually everybody else the Ku Klux Klan, the American Nazi Party and all other White Power groups, militias and their affiliates, Adolf Hitler, Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Johnny Torrio, those who murder, promote the murder or do not condemn those who murder health care workers who suport abortion and an unbelievable shitload of others were not Christians, despite the fact these people were raised in or under a Christian church, identify themselves as Christians, and tend not to float when you toss them into the sea in a bag loaded with stones.

    God, to be excommunicated by Bill O’Reilly! Not being Christian, I have no idea how many hells there are supposed to be, but if there’s only one, then Bill’s in for a tough afterlife.

    Maybe it’s just the way you look at it. The American Right says these people were not Christians, which would come as quite a surprise to these people. Fine. I say that this all this is the very height of egalitarianism — that Christians, too, can be mass murdering maniacs.

  6. JosephW
    July 30, 2011 - 12:04 pm

    Martha, from what I’ve been seeing and hearing, there are more people who are actually outraged that the media is using the very word “Christian” in connection with Breivik. On Bill Maher’s most current episode, when Maher brings up Breivik and self-identification as a Christian, Maher’s guests nearly went ballistic at the very idea that any terrorist should be identified to the public as a Christian. Eliot Spitzer continually said that Breivik should be called an “extremist” and a “fanatic” (though Spitzer wasn’t too specific in exactly what Breivik’s “fanaticism” entailed).

    And Bill O’Reilly, of course, has ranted to no end at the “liberal” media’s description of Breivik as a Christian.

    But let a “lone wolf” Muslim kill someone, then he’s obviously part of a worldwide terrorist network. Maher’s “official” Republican guest, the granddaughter of Herbert Hoover–I don’t recall her first name–even went so far as to pull the “lone wolf” ploy about Breivik, especially after Maher also mentioned the recent case of Naser Abdo. Ms Hoover actually called Breivik a “lone wolf” but said that Abdo was another part of the worldwide Muslim terror network. (On a side note, isn’t it interesting that the “investigation” against Abdo was revealed so quickly after Breivik’s identification as a “conservative” and “Christian?” I’m not suggesting that there was some sort of conspiracy at work–to reignite anti-Muslim sentiment following the investigation of Breivik–but the timing does seem awfully suspect.)

  7. pennie
    July 30, 2011 - 2:27 pm

    From this far perch, it seems that the definition of a Christian is so flexible that it can encompass nearly any application save those who swear allegiance to a completely different deity that does not include Jesus Christ in its theology.
    Does Christian denote Conservative? Radical? Social activist?
    Reactionary?
    It has been associated with all these things in the past.
    Just sayin’.

  8. MOTU
    July 31, 2011 - 2:53 am

    Any debate over belief is just stupid. And if you don’t agree with me then so are you.

    What?

  9. pennie
    July 31, 2011 - 5:42 am

    MOTU, I am such a true believer!

  10. Mike Gold
    July 31, 2011 - 7:30 am

    Unless there’s a membership committee I’m not aware of, it seems to me the definition of Christian is pretty obvious: anybody who believes that Jesus Christ existed and is any sort of deity is a Christian.

    I realize that some, perhaps many, Christians do not consider Catholics, Mormons, and/or Santarians as Christian. Not my problem. Seems like stone cold bigotry to me.

  11. Martha Thomases
    July 31, 2011 - 9:39 am

    @Mike: I have a similar definition about who is or is not Jewish. To me, as long as Hitler (or any other maniacal Anti-Semite) considers someone Jewish, that’s good enough for me. Which makes me way more open-minded than the Orthodox in Israel.

  12. Mike Gold
    July 31, 2011 - 11:09 am

    … or most of the Orthodox in the United States. Considering Hitler was more liberal with his exemptions than some Orthodoxy…

  13. Reg
    July 31, 2011 - 7:47 pm

    Mike…and I express the following without any heat whatsoever…your interpretation of what it means to be a Christian could not be more wrong.

    I also am not intending this answer to be the start of a Bible study, but I think that to best understand who is a Christian is to receive the definition of same from the One Who is The Christos, yes?

    If you agree, then I suggest you read all of John 13. But in the particular, I would suggest the following scriptures establish clarity in the matter…

    12.So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. …20. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Of course the key word and context is the ‘receiving’ and acceptance of Who He is as L-rd.

    And also, the following words from Christ pretty clearly establishes who He considers as His disciple…34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    Of a truth, there is a faaaar deeper element of this requirement that really narrows the gate, but suffice to say, it’s of a certainty that neither McVeigh or Breivik have in NO WAY provided evidence that they are Christian.

  14. Martha Thomses
    July 31, 2011 - 8:36 pm

    @Reg: by tHat definition, Pat Buchanan and Michelle Bachman (and her husband) and Pat Robertson and so many more are not Christian. And yet, they claim not only to be so, but also to speak for all.

  15. Reg
    July 31, 2011 - 9:55 pm

    @ Martha…The Rabboni didn’t stutter. It’s a narrow Way.

    That deeper element I mentioned earlier? It’s powerfully expressed in Luke 14:12-35. The mystery being that it reflects the exchange and benefit of personal surrender with perfectly pure Agape.

    I can call myself anything. Whether I actually am what I say I am is determined by whether my actions provide evidence of my meeting the established criterion. Of course, He’s the final arbiter of whether or not I have.

    And whether or not they have.

  16. Rene
    August 1, 2011 - 1:11 am

    With all due respect to Reg, Jesus Christ’s words of tolerance and brotherly love are not all that is in the Bible, there is a lot of material there that is considerably more millitant. And the Earthly institutions that supposedly represent Christ also have been millitant throughout history.

    Anders Breivik is Christianity taken to an insane, broken extreme, but still Christianity. Christians should accept Breivik as a cautionary tale, instead of using the No True Scotsman fallacy.

    Once you believe you know with a certainty how other people should live their personal lives, once you believe you have not only the right, but the duty to guide them through the one true right path, is it really a stretch that a minority will come to the conclusion that they also should kill those who stray from the path?

    Lots of “true” Christians want to stop others from making choices, simply because the Good Book says the choice is a wrong one. A person’s right to self-determination, to choosing whoever they want to marry or have sex with, is disregarded.

    Breivik’s actions are just an extreme extension of this same logic. Disregarding a person’s right to live, because their life is a wicked one.

  17. Whitney
    August 1, 2011 - 1:42 am

    Long-Loved (31 years!) Martha –

    People will sometimes use my name at the club in order to get their way. It’s their best poker ‘tell’ because I regularly confess to anyone who wants to listen that I have very little juice around the place. I am the one that walks out the orders that I am given, and held acountable. So I am also extremely careful about what is placed into my hand. If someone uses my name, it is a pretty good sign that they don’t know me very well.

    People who know me and who I trust know not to ask for my authorization for certain choices.

    To answer the question about who is a Christian, Jesus is the best commentator. He said, “Many will say to me, ‘Lord, in Your name I did these things’ and I will say to them, ‘Get away from me. I never knew you'”

    He also said that if we can’t believe what He says, at least believe what He does.

    That this guy doesn’t know of Jesus is evident by his actions. No question. But what is additionally deeply disturbing is how far darkness and strife can advance as a result of this disinformation campaign.

    As for me, I am anti-Crusades, anti-Alhambra Decree, and know who was responsible for the death of Jesus.

    It was me. Yesterday, today, and probably at least once more in the future.

  18. Mike Gold
    August 1, 2011 - 6:39 am

    Reg sez “it’s of a certainty that neither McVeigh or Breivik have in NO WAY provided evidence that they are Christian.”

    What, you guys issues cards, or have a secret handshake or something? Is there’s a grand tribunal that gets to decide who or what is Christian? Is there a test in order to get a license? OK, fine. Some people who believe in Christ’s existence and deity are not Christians. That’s a tough a country club.

    Further: “Whether I actually am what I say I am is determined by whether my actions provide evidence of my meeting the established criterion.”

    Ergo, all those people I mentioned, including a shitload of Popes and a saint, were not Christians. Makes no sense to me. So if I used TImothy McVeigh’s blood to soften my matso, I’m doing it wrong?

    I devine NO difference between Anders Breivik and the Crusaders. And I’ll bet a whole lot of Muslims feel the same way. But I could be wrong. Maybe they think the Christian Crusaders were simply misunderstood.

    But don’t get me started on the Inquisition.

  19. Martha Thomases
    August 1, 2011 - 6:48 am

    Reg is doing what I asked him to do. He’s saying, as a Christian, that Breivik doesn’t speak for him.

    In that spirit, I have to say that I’m incredibly embarrassed that the man mentioned here (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/us/31shariah.html?_r=1&scp=6&sq=sharia&st=cse) is apparently behind this anti-sharia craziness. Jews, who were slaves in the land of Egypt, should know that this kind of bigotry has no place in our country.

  20. Mike Gold
    August 1, 2011 - 7:36 am

    How egalitarian.

    I’m still trying to figure out who’s a real Christian and who’s a phony Christian who wants to murder me in cold blood because of my dead relatives.

  21. Martha Thomases
    August 1, 2011 - 7:39 am

    I think, when someone tells you s/he is a Christian, you reserve judgement until you see the accompanying behavior

  22. Mike Gold
    August 1, 2011 - 8:18 am

    Martha, can’t they give us a break? I mean, when I see somebody wearing a crucifix, I tend to believe they might be Christian. When I see somebody wearing a crucifix on their pointy white hat, I also believe they might be a Christian. But I also think they’re a threat. Now I’m being told they aren’t Christian. Wait. What? Then why all those crosses? I don’t get it. A genuine certified pre-owned car is still a used car. Are Catholics Christians? Were Catholics before the reformation Christians? The Inquisition — that had nothing to do with Christianity? Breivik left a 1500 page manifesto saying he’s Christian; now I’m being told by widely diverse Christians — O’Reilly and Reg are about as far apart on the spectrum as I can imagine — that despite all that, he’s not even though he acted in a manner that other Christians (the ones I noted way above) acted similarly or worse. Is Michelle Obachman a true Christian? That’s got me totally confused.

    I’m not being sarcastic here. If Christianity is a restricted club that excludes people who define themselves as Christians, then the true Christians should let the rest of us know. I dunno, armbands or something since, obviously, the sign of the cross doesn’t work.

    Somebody give me a break. All this REALLY fucks me up when I’m trolling the Christian dating services.

  23. Reg
    August 1, 2011 - 11:31 am

    Mike, there are multitudes of individuals that can be categorized as being ‘cultural’ Christians, just as there are ‘cultural’ Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. I’m certain that are Jews who may wear yarmulkes on special occasions but give little or no thought to actually practicing the tenets of the faith. Or Muslim women who are constrained to wear burkas due to the demands of both community, family, and tradition, but do not believe in the espoused principals of Islam. Do you really believe that the majority of celebrities (and other non-Jewish people) who wear the roite bindele are truly faithful to the tenets of Kabbalah, or do they do so because it’s fashionable?

    The same holds true for the wearing of the crucifix by the multitudes. More’s the pity, but the Cross has become for far too many just a transaction of fashion rather than heart and spirit. And therein lies the crossroads of the matter.

    You typed…”Some people who believe in Christ’s existence and deity are not Christians. That’s a tough a country club.”

    James 2:14-20 establishes in the passages that…’Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.’

    I think that although you might not believe in neither yourself, logic dictates that devils, although they believe in His Deity, have no concourse with Christ.

    It’s all about that relational transaction that Whitney spoke of earlier.

  24. Reg
    August 1, 2011 - 12:00 pm

    Apologies to all, but I felt the need to express that all which I posted above was not stated with the arrogance of ‘I’ve arrived’ or the pride of ‘I’m not like them’.

    Daily I’m dependent upon His Grace, daily I’m reminded of how much He Loves me, daily I strive to remember the price that was paid and how I hope to be a pleasant fragrance to honor Him. And daily, like Whitney, I recognize that I was responsible for His Agony.

    And that despite that irrefutable guilt, He purchased my Freedom.

  25. Mike Gold
    August 1, 2011 - 1:04 pm

    Well and good, Reg. But all this didn’t answer a single one of my questions.

    That’s fine. I am not the gatekeeper for anybody’s religion; I’m just trying to understand it. For the better part of 61 years, this Thursday.

    Oh, me of little faith. Except in humanity. Odd, huh?

  26. Reg
    August 1, 2011 - 1:41 pm

    Odd? Not all at bro. You’ve put in MUCH work in association with that faith.

    Shalom.

  27. Reg
    August 1, 2011 - 1:44 pm

    Oh, yeah. Mazel Tov for the 62nd and beyond.

    You old fart.

  28. George Haberberger
    August 2, 2011 - 6:30 am

    I think, when someone tells you s/he is a Christian, you reserve judgement until you see the accompanying behavior.

    Thank you Ms. Thomases. That says everything that is needed.

  29. Martha Thomases
    August 2, 2011 - 6:39 am

    @George: You’re welcome. Now, if we can extend this sentiment to Muslims, we should be better off.

  30. Mike Gold
    August 2, 2011 - 7:34 am

    Reg — Thanks. That means a lot to me.

    And I’ve been an old fart most of my life. But when my back went out in June, I became a CRANKY old fart.

    To which Martha responds “became?”

  31. Whitney
    August 3, 2011 - 12:57 pm

    Golden Boy (and perhaps the Divine Ms. M)…

    If Martha says “became?”, I guess I can risk taking a swipe..

    How about practice makes perfect?

    On an encouraging but still partly cloudy front, new research suggests that people who are depressive rather than saccharaine sweet optimists are more successful leaders in the midst of major crises.

    The hypothesis is that they have developed high-level functional skill sets in the midst of sub-optimal circumstances.

    So be encouraged! But not too much…

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