Great Taste, Less Fuhgeddaboudit, by Arthur Tebbel & Chris Toia – Pop Art… and Chris #27
June 9, 2009 Arthur Tebbel & Chris Toia 12 Comments
Yo, Arthur and Christopher,
You getta load of the cajones on these Miller people? Mama Mia, These a’ sons of a bitches, they thought they could get away with portraying the entire paisan community as a bunch of meatball mouthed Mafiosi. We let Miller know that if they kept running their offensive commercials they ran the risk of a terrible accident. Italian-Americans either would, or would not accidentally stop buying all Miller products. Miller respected our generous offer, and kindly withdrew all advertisements supporting their new “taste protection can” featuring Sopranos actor Frank Vincent as an insulting Italian stereotype. My question to youse is how can we capitalize on this victory and start to change these hateful stereotypes.
Lou Rago, Italian American Human Relations Foundation of Chicago
Louie,
If we’re going to brainstorm would you mind bringing over some of momma’s ziti, and please don’t skimp on the Pecorino from Scatturo’s. Seriously though, you’re acting like you woke up next to your prized horse’s head. I think everyone knows that since Obama’s election racism sleeps with the fishes. We realize that your concern is that people will stereotype all Italians as members of the mafia. Fact is this would be a far kinder generalization than what’s actually become of the Italian people in America. (Italian-American Christopher Francis Genesius Toia wrote the remainder of this paragraph) Respectable Italians made a decision to continue living in the cities to which they immigrated. Granted, they continued to treat one another like absolute gutter shit, but most of their grievances were private. Other Italians chose to move to the suburbs, or ghettos, as I like to call them. Suburban Italians developed an affected accent, donned ridiculous jewelry, abandoned good food in favor of frozen, and are in general just plain embarrassing. On the one hand they complain about negative stereotypes, on the other hand they usually do this while showing off how they got their new BMW to play “That’s Amore” whenever they honk their horn. Which is frequently. Suburban Italians make the guidos of Brooklyn look like foreign dignitaries by way of comparison.
Now as for Miller’s new “Taste protection caps” on their Miller Lite line of products, we’re glad these advertisements are no longer aired. Adding a taste protection filter to a can of Miller Lite is like adding a taste protection cap to our assholes so that people can savor the flavor inside. A few months ago Miller campaigned that their beer was “Triple Hops Brewed,” which was meaningless marketing nonsense. That was like a chocolate chip cookie maker claiming their cookies are triple chip baked because each cookie only featured three chips. Now they’re protecting their rancid liquid’s delicate flavor from, the taste of aluminum. According to Miller it allows air to flow into the can in a way that prevents the consumer from tasting the can. Only one problem, all good beverages are consumed in a glass, this allows a person to actually smell the drink and get the full flavor profile. Drinking beer out of a can is like eating steak through a straw.
Lou, we hate to break this to you, but Miller probably did not end their ad campaign to appease Italian Americans. They probably realized that no one gives a shit about what Miller Lite tastes like, but they could get a bunch of free publicity in the form of news stories about offending Italian Americans. After all, those stories have the potential to be interesting, like an episode of the Sopranos or the Super Mario Bros. Super Show. According to a 2004 article in BarJournal per capita Italian Americans consumed the least beer out of any of the ethnicities represented in their survey. It doesn’t seem likely that Miller really was concerned about Italian Americans not drinking their shitty product.
Finally, clean the connoli out of your ears and listen. Italians are white. In our country it is acceptable to make fun of white people. Yes, if Miller Lite was running a campaign featuring Hitler shucking and jiving in black face we’d be the first to decry this campaigns as blatantly racist. We’re not saying that black people need our protection from being made fun of either. We’re just saying that the stereotypical portrayal of black people is one part of a systemic history of racism whose impact continues to hinder their fair access to jobs, services and other aspects of daily life that white people take for granted. If Italian Americans have such a problem with their portrayal in their media we have a suggestion, try dressing as an Arab American for a day and see if you feel your treatment improves.
Vinnie Bartilucci
June 9, 2009 - 11:58 am
“If Italian Americans have such a problem with their portrayal in their media we have a suggestion, try dressing as an Arab American for a day and see if you feel your treatment improves.”
There’s a scene in Inside Man where the police detective (played by Mr. D. Washington) is talking to a Sikh gentleman (played by Mr. I. Dontremeber) who was pushed out of the bank, tied up and a sign hanging from his neck – the police immediately assume he’s some kind of terrorist, in on the job, regardless of the fact that he’s tied up and all.
The follow gives a very good speech about how he was a regular citizen on 9/10/01 but ever since, he’s seen as a suspect. Denzel jokingly says to him, “Bet you can get a cab, tho”.
I am AMAZED that no Arab group came out about that joke, claiming that it played on the stereotype that all Arabs drive cabs.
We had the whole frooferah about the Popeye chicken ads recently, not to mention the one that last week’s Doonesbury strip was anti-semitic, because it referred to Jesus casting the “Money Lenders” (actually money-changers) out of the temple. they claimed it played on the old canard that all bankers are Jews, and vice-versa. In other words, they were trying to say that it’s not true that all Bankers are Jews, but if you make a joke ABOUT bankers, you’re actually making a joke about Jews, because people THINK all bankers are jews.
I’m waiting for the calls to get Jay Leno taken off the air any time now.
With only a modicum of examination, and a basic knowledge of a person’s history, you can usually tell if a person is telling a joke that has NOTHING to do with you either as a person or a member of a group, or if they’re a manipulative racist tying to further their evil action line.
But you don’t get on television by saying “It’s probably nothing”. So we’ll continuie to see these puffed-up shows of outrage and see endless companies backpedal and wring their hands and the like.
Marc Alan Fishman
June 9, 2009 - 12:12 pm
Actually, and I say this as one jewy-jew-jew… a commercial featuring Hitler in blackface shucking and jiving would be damn funny.
Vinnie Bartilucci
June 9, 2009 - 1:23 pm
“damn funny” and “offensive to somebody” are not mutually exclusive. In almost every case, they are simultaneous and synonymous.
“Did you hear about the alcoholic magician who was walking down the street and turned into a bar?”
Now that one joke has the opportunity to be offensive to magicians, alcoholics, and bar owners (for suggesting that a responsible tavernier would serve adult beverages to an alcoholic). It is also damn funny.
There’s lots of things I don’t usually find funny. Emphasis on “I”. On the occasion that I come across such topics getting used for comedy, I’ll usually just not laugh, and if pressed, might mention it’s something I don’t find funny, but don’t let me stop you. If I happen to be the most important person in the room at the time (hey, there are some small rooms out there), the proper response would be to stop and talk about something else. In all other cases, the proper response could be anything from “OK, if you’re sure you don’t mind” to “Hey, sorry, NP, I’ve got other jokes.”
Martha Thomases
June 9, 2009 - 2:18 pm
@Vinnie: I always heard that joke in INSIDE MAN as a comment on the fact that black people can’t get cabs. It never occurred to me it referred to Arab drivers.
Especially since I believe Sikhs are much more likely to be East Indian rather than Arab.
Alan Coil
June 9, 2009 - 4:13 pm
I once picked up a female hitchhiker who claimed to be a witch.
She leaned over and whispered in my ear, and sure enough, I turned into a motel.
Reg
June 10, 2009 - 6:52 am
@Vinnie and Martha…
The ‘Inside Man’ riff was commentary on Black people not being able to get a cab….no matter our attire or location….not on Arab drivers.
@Alan…”Hitler in blackface…funny”
I’m a bit surprised by that…I was involved in a fairly robust exchange on another board about that very thing…my take was that some things (imo) just aren’t suitable for casual yucks… with the Holocaust being one of them… One rebutter replied that the joke voted as funniest in the UK involved ‘ my great uncle died at Auschwitz….when he fell out of the watchtower’ … and that it’s fair game because humor is a coping mechanism. My reply was that the teller of said ‘joke’ is well removed from the actual sufferers (and indeed tangentially aligns with the perpetrators) of the brutality. If that’s indeed the case, then what are the joke tellers having to cope with? My take was that I would think it to be a rare case indeed that a person of Jewish ancestry would find the joke funny….but you seemed to have proven the other side’s case.
Vinnie Bartilucci
June 10, 2009 - 7:18 am
As we have learned in ths world, what was intended has nothing to do with how another person will interpret it. People who set out to find racism will almost certainly succeed.
There’s endless stories that fall in the “You’ve gotta be kidding” range, like the stewardess who chose an airline passenger by using “Eeenie Meenie Minie Moe”, and one of the passengers claimed racism because a hundred years ago or so, it didn’t used to be a tiger you’d catch by the toe, or the claim that Agatha Christie’s “Ten Little Indians” (AKA “And The There Were None”) is a racist play because the nursery rhyme didn’t used to be about indians. And does anyone remember the psychiatrists coming to the defense of the mentally afflicted becasue mike carlin referred to Doomsday as “a madman”?
Talk show host Barry Farber used to say “I didn’t mean to infer what you didn’t mean to imply” – these professional complainers do. And once the accusation is made, to many the only move is to apologize. Like being a communist or a witch, if you try to defend yourself or explain your actions, the response is “You see? He denies it.”. It’s easier to issue one of those non-comittal “I’m sorry for anyone who may have been offended” hand-jobs, and the folks who made the complain call it a win.
So regardless of how the joke was meant, it’s easy as pie to flip it around and make it offensive to another group. The Cabbie union could also have come out protesting that the joke put THEM in a bad light, making them look racist for (“alledgedly”) not picking up black people.
To paraphrase Tom Lehrer, when correctly viewed, everything is offensive.
…”Hitler in blackface…funny”
The Producers just ran in Germany. When Roger DeBris appeared on stage in the Hitler costume, and went from the Nazi salute to the Liza mince pose, the place SCREAMED with laughter. One article said “it was like a page of history turned”
Reg
June 10, 2009 - 9:31 am
The core truth to all of this is that humor is perhaps the most subjective component of human relational behavior. But that in no way should give anyone the right to discount or minimize another person’s right to feel offended based on subject matter.
You may have the right to joke about the the Middle Passage, the Holocaust, that Sept day, Oklahoma, or the Tulsa event…but you’d better be prepared for me to exercise my right to get up in your grill (and perhaps a bit more) in response.
And in the case of the Producers….and like I expressed in the other forum…civility and respect demands that in the case of certain topics, I need to wait until those who experienced the tragedy or pain, give me the liberty to make or laugh at a joke, by their making light of the circumstance….first. See Richard Pryor and his ‘lit match’ routine. When he could laugh about it, then I could.
Vinnie Bartilucci
June 10, 2009 - 9:49 am
If someone is truly and actually offended or upset by a joke, then I can’t fault them, and I (nor I expect anyone else) have no desire to actually offend. I’ll just laugh about it where they can’t hear. But again, that’s not really what I’m discussing.
It’s that in SO many of these cases, it seem more like the complainers are finding not offense, but opportunity. Whether it be a chance to get a settlement, a public apology, or even just a bump up to business class, I simply don’t believe them all.
If a company follows the practice of “The Customer is Always Right”, then when a complaint is made, the proper response is (and should almost always be) to apologize and make it right. I know when I tender a complaint about something in a store, the WORST thing they can do to me is try to explain why they weren’t wrong. Nine times out of ten it’s not the issue, but the facacta reaction to the issue that I end up getting more upset about.
Too many people go into situations deliberately LOOKING for things to complain about, for the sole purpose of getting something out of it. They take the tack of demanding an apology, then when they get it, refuse the apology and say it’s not enough, we want XYZ.
Reg
June 10, 2009 - 10:45 am
I totally agree with you about faux offense and sense of aggrieved entitlement hooey.
Also, the ‘You’ that I referenced was the universal ‘you’…and not the ‘you’ ‘you’. You know what I’m sayin? 🙂
Reg
June 10, 2009 - 10:59 am
@Vinnie..
BTW… ain’t nothing ‘alleged’ about phantom cabs when it comes to Black folks. That’s a truth, doc.
Vinnie Bartilucci
June 10, 2009 - 11:45 am
re: blacks ‘n’ cabs – Oh, I’m well aware of that. Michael Moore did a great piece on that years ago, doing an experiment where cabbies would regularly pass up award-wining (black) actor Yaphet Kotto (Who was standing by a sign reading “I need a cab”) and pickup multiply-convicted (white) felon Louie Bruno half a block down the street.
Dwayne McDuffie also told a story once about not being able to get a cab to a DC party (I believe it was the Milestone premiere party, to add irony to injury). He was wearing a suit more expensive than the blue book value of most of the cabs that flicked on their “Off Duty” signs. He was also carrying a Clark Kent mannequin, tho odds are that didn’t have much of an effect.
It’s just that in order for the cabbies to take offense to the joke, they would have to take the stand that it ISN’T true, but only a stereotype, “one as vicious and evil as any perpetrated against black people” or some such crap. It’s the same slightly embarassing stand the tobacco companies have to take when someone says anything bad about cigarettes.