You Say You Want An Evolution, by Mike Gold – Brainiac On Banjo #261
February 6, 2012 Mike Gold 37 Comments
Polls are tricky stuff. In order to properly assess their value you’ve got to understand exactly how the questions are phrased and you must look behind the headline results to find out what’s really going on.
According to a Gallop poll conducted five years ago – one of the most recent I’ve found that breaks down the data – 93% of respondents say that they believe in god. But if you look at the breakdown, you’ll see that only 73% are absolute in their belief. 27% have varying degrees of doubt or outright disbelief.
That doesn’t make sense to me. It’s a matter of faith. Either you have it or you don’t. You’re asking a rational human to accept a concept that is exceptionally impactful on faith alone without any evidence whatsoever, outside of the self-serving dribble moronic Fundamentalists foist as proof, such as “god exists because it says so in the bible.” By that analysis, Doctor Doom exists because it says so in Fantastic Four comics. I’ll point out that far, far fewer people have been murdered, raped, tortured or imprisoned by the teachings in Fantastic Four than in anybody’s bible, so from a moral perspective I’m a lot more likely to believe in Victor Von Doom than anybody’s god.
Ergo, if you are not certain in your belief in a god, you do not have the faith. You see, not only do I not believe in god, I do not believe in agnostics. We ain’t got the holy mojo; we are all heathens in the eyes of the holy.
I will take one step further into the realm of moral superiority: I know a lot of atheists. We hang out together and… plot. Anyway, every single atheist I know would revise his or her opinion about religion if confronted with evidence. Every single one.
But faith doesn’t need proof. Evolution does, and there’s plenty of it. An overwhelming amout of proof. The religious alternative – what do they call it, creationism? – has no proof whatsoever; it’s pulled entirely out of believer’s ass. It would be thrilling if a great ape with communication skills were to put on a mitre or wrap themselves in tefillin (and good luck with that one, Grodd). That would put me through a lot of changes and I might even consider it evidence, but should this happen the Religionists would go absolutely apeshit. I just don’t get their discrimination against apes.
In my book, anybody who says they do not believe in evolution is on the same page as those who wear tin-foil to block out alien transmissions. Of course there’s one big difference: there are fewer among the tin-foil hat crowd in positions of power or authority.
I would have a very, very hard time voting for anybody who professes evolution is bunk. Please note I said “professes” and not “believes.” Ultimately, I’ll vote between two braying hustlers who will likely suck up to the majority in order to get elected, choosing which one is more likely to benefit my self-interest and my beliefs in creating a functioning America.
But so far, President Obama says he believes in evolution and he advocates teaching it in schools. Obama also says so-called intelligent design (an Orwellian definition of “intelligent” where one must reject fact) should not be foisted upon our nation’s school children. After all, teaching prejudice, hatred and outright bullshit is the duty of the family and the church and not of our institutions of learning.
I gotta go now. Doctor Doom is about to make a speech.
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Rock’n’blues Red Cat Mike Gold kicks ass each week on Weird Sounds Inside The Gold Mind streaming four times a week on www.getthepointradio.com and available at that same venue on demand. Oddly, he rarely plays the Monkees. He also joins MDWers Martha Thomases and Michael Davis as a weekly columnist at www.comicmix.com.

Martha Thomases
February 6, 2012 - 11:40 am
I don’t think it’s really a matter of believing in evolution. Evolution is. I mean, it’s like believing in the periodic table.
The concept of god has evolved, just like the concept of capitalism, or the physical attributes of primates. I don’t believe there is a guy with a beard in the clouds, stalking me. I believe there is a right way to live, one that involves taking care of the planet and leaving it better than I found it, to the best of my ability. Perhaps one could personify this right way to live and call it “god,” but that would be irrelevant.
Does this make me agnostic? Maybe? It certainly makes me Jewish, at least according to the way I was taught Judaism.
As always, your mileage my vary.
Rick Oliver
February 6, 2012 - 1:33 pm
Even the Catholic Church officially accepts evolution.
I have stated elsewhere that evolution is a litmus test for me. I will not vote for any candidate who claims not to believe in evolution because that candidate is either a shameless panderer or exhibits a disturbing inability to evaluate evidence and arrive at a rational conclusion based on that evidence.
Rick Oliver
February 6, 2012 - 1:34 pm
And note that Rick Santorum’s rejection of evolution conflicts with the official view of his church.
Mike Gold
February 6, 2012 - 2:42 pm
Martha, the problem is, there’s a lot of folks who believe in the periodic table and do not believe in evolution. I call these people “morons.” You may call them something else, but they are morons.
Rick, I don’t care what Rick Santorum’s hoary thunderer bellows. His church teaches slavery is good, the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, fetuses are babies, and life started because of their master’s brain fart. All are bullshit, and people who believe that shit are morons.
And yes, some of these fools are just pandering to their perceived electorate. If Rick Santorum gets the nomination — technically possible, but less likely than Bizarro-Santurum getting the nod — it would be swell to see how fast he can back-peddle.
Not as fast as Mitt or Newt, I’ll bet.
Martha Thomses
February 6, 2012 - 2:50 pm
Mike, it doesn’t matter if they believe in evolution or the periodic table. Those facts exist no matter what. Science is not like Tinkerbelle, and does not require us to clap so it can live.
Neil C.
February 6, 2012 - 2:58 pm
I just posted a link to this on my FB and someone wrote a long, rambling comment on the lack of ‘proof’ for evolution and why are there still apes if we evolved from them, and why there have never been any intermediate species found. Yet he believes in a 2,000-year old book. Reminds me of the line from Dire Straits’ Industrial Disease, “Two men say they’re Jesus/One of them must be wrong.”
Rick Oliver
February 6, 2012 - 3:21 pm
Why are there still morons if we were supposed to get smarter as we evolved? There just isn’t enough time to answer all the stupid questions.
Mike: I wasn’t defending the Catholic Church. I was merely pointing out that the evidence for evolution had to be pretty overwhelming and undeniable for the church to officially alter their stance on the subject.
Rene
February 6, 2012 - 3:58 pm
I disagree with you about faith and agnostics. There are various degrees and kinds of faith, IMO.
Person A can have a vague feeling that there is something supernatural about existence, that things happen for a reason, that an intelligence is behind it all, but lacks any certainty about the specifics, or has great doubts about the veracity of their feelings.
Person B can go through life without ever having such a feeling and denying with all their breath that there is a God.
Neither Person A nor B are “believers”, but there is a big difference.
Mike Gold
February 6, 2012 - 4:00 pm
Neil —
At least one.
Mike Gold
February 6, 2012 - 4:03 pm
Morons transcend evolution, Rick. Some get all addlepated from drugs and/or booze. Some from gamboling. Some from sex. Some from money. Some from religion.
So many temptations, so little time.
Mike Gold
February 6, 2012 - 4:28 pm
Rene, while we’re just fooling around with semantics, it seems to me that when it comes to faith either you have it or not. You either believe as a matter of faith that there is a supreme being, or you question the existence of a supreme being, which is a rejection of faith.
The fact that a person might be uncertain but is keeping an open mind is the hallmark of my definition of atheism. I say “my definition” out of an acknowledgement that there probably are atheist fanatics out there who, because of an obvious lack of any evidence whatsoever, therefore conclude that there absolutely is no supreme being and have closed there mind to the possibility. This level of fanaticism may very well be some sort of brain disorder; it’s common to those who take any passion to an extreme. These people are better known as “assholes.”
It’s only those who define all of those who do not believe in THEIR hoary thunderer are assholes that give me a pain deep inside my sphincter. Ever since I read that study that indicates that people trust rapists more than they trust atheists that I’ve dropped the effort of debate. You can’t debate unrealities — particularly unrealities that differ so strongly from Religionist to Religionist. How many versions of the bible are there? Which ones does any given Religionist believe in? Why is Fundamentalist Christianity cool to the point of whoring out Presidential elections, but Fundamentalist Islam evil? And just whose ox IS being gored? Is it blue?
Show me god. I’ll believe in it. Show me blue smoke and I know you’re trying to blow it up my ass. And I’ve seen a LOT of blue smoke. Nothing but.
That’s “you” in the generic sense, of course.
Rene
February 6, 2012 - 7:14 pm
I always feel uncomfortably like I’m being recruited or pressed to take a stand when they say that if you don’t have faith in God then you’re an atheist. Rather like that silly American institution that if you have one drop of black blood you absolutely must identify as black.
My own definitons?
If someone asks you “Is there a God?” and you answer YES, then you’re religious.
If someone asks you “Is there a God?” and you answer NO, then you’re atheist.
If someone asks you “Is there a God?” and you answer MAYBE or I DON’T KNOW then you’re indifferent or agnostic.
I know this may not be a proper definition of the words, but it works for me.
I used to be a NO when I was younger, and that carried a whole set of philosophical stands, IMO. I became a MAYBE when older, and I think that implies a different set of philosophical stands.
Do I have faith in a creator? I do, sometimes. Sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I don’t think about it. I think a lot of people are like me.
Mike Gold
February 6, 2012 - 8:44 pm
Hmmm. If someone asks me “Is there a god?” I kinda melt them with a slow mind-blast. I’m kinda like that in real life, too.
First I ask “Which one?” If that doesn’t chase them away, I’ll say “Does only a uni-god count?” If THAT doesn’t chase them away, and my athiedar (TM arrogantMGMS) isn’t going off by now, I’ll say “Is Cannibalism a religion?” And then if they’re still within shouting distance, I’ll shout “Hey! It’s okay! I’ve got a Prius!”
And THAT’S why I’m a bastard. I do not own a Prius.
David Oakes
February 6, 2012 - 8:58 pm
I too have to call “foul” at your attempts to claim all non-faithful as Atheists. It is as meaningful – and as insulting – as trying to claim that America is a “Judeo-Christian Nation”, except that, well, actually being Jewish doesn’t count. Failure to believe in a specific Volcano Sky God is not the same as denying any exist AT ALL. No more than not having a preference between Vanilla and Strawberry proves that ONLY Chocolate ice cream exists.
David Oakes
February 6, 2012 - 9:08 pm
I should learn not to hit Return half an hour after writing these things…
I respect your qualification of terms, Mr. Gold. But what you have given – “a person might be uncertain but is keeping an open mind” – is the textbook definition of “Agnostic”.
So in the time-honored tradition of making one’s own Tribe the benchmark by which all values are measured, let me be the first to welcome you into the fold. Your “Agnostic and Proud (I think)” T-shirt and secret decoder ring are in the mail.
Unless they are not.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 7:19 am
David, you lost me when you capitalized the A in atheist.
There are a lot of textbook definitions that are motivated by popular misconception. Saying you’re agnostic is not only going against the textbook definition of faith — as well as logic, the arch-enemy of faith — it’s a safe way to avoid the hostility, lack of trust and outright contempt un-closeted atheists face every day.
The t-shirt will come in handy; occasionally, I have to wash my “Fuck God” t-shirt as — disappointingly — it refuses to wash itself. It does have an eye on my feet, though. The decoder ring will come in handy; my deep thanks!
And I’m reconsidering my position on volcano sky gods. Sounds really cool.
Rick Oliver
February 7, 2012 - 8:34 am
It’s all semantics. Mike’s definition of atheism is a big tent that includes agnostics. The Merriam-Webster definition says nothing about faith:
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity
This definition does not describe my opinion on the subject. The definition of agnostic, however, is pretty close:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.
But being agnostic doesn’t mean I have no opinion about specific religions, most of which I find arbitrary, capricious, and dangerous.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 9:31 am
Arbitrary, Capricious, and Dangerous?
Sounds like a law firm we used to work with.
Rick Oliver
February 7, 2012 - 11:21 am
Yes, they split off from Bewitched, Bothered, and Bemildred.
I spell my name “Danger”.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 11:32 am
Regnad Kcin.
Jeremiah Avery
February 7, 2012 - 3:01 pm
Speaking of religious beliefs, Mike, I believe you had touched upon some of the oppressive aspects within Orthodox faiths in earlier articles. Here is an appalling example: http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/unorthodox-womans-journey-repression-freedom-201000868.html
I try to keep a “to each their own” mindset. Usually works but every now and then I have to wonder how some can say with a straight face that they’re being oppressed for their beliefs while they, themselves, are bigoted towards other faiths or flat-out using some warped sense of morality to deny rights to others.
Rene
February 7, 2012 - 3:15 pm
What Rick said.
Also, I don’t live in the USA, Mike. Here in Brazil, atheists also are minority, but the hostility is far less. There is no reason for me to be afraid of exposing my lack of religion.
Brazil is a profoundly religious country, but as a Third World country, it also idealizes people with higher education. Most people would be more impressed than disgusted if I went into the philosophical reasons for my lack of faith.
There is little anti-intellectualism in a country where every parent dreams that their kids will be able to go to college. It’s not so cool here to bash the decadence of the atheistic cultural elite.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 4:56 pm
Jeremiah, “to each his/her own” isn’t the end of that sentence. “To each his/her own, but don’t tread on me.”
I have no problem with people believing in whatever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Sadly, all too many Religionists each come with the attitude that their belief system is better for everybody, and those who do not toe THEIR line are:morally substandard, shifty, out to get people of the Religionist’s religion, full of hatred for people of the Religionist’s religion, and a threat — if not to people of the Religionist’s religion, then at the very least to common decency. And then they wander off and talk about how Mormonism or Santeria or Scientology or Catholicism are really wacky.
Any part of that is bigotry. Any part.
But it gets really interesting when believers in what they perceive as the same uni-god declare a philosophical truce amongst each other (well, not so much with the Islamists) and ice the Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, Confucianists, Sikhists, Shintoists, and about a million more. You know, the NON-WHITE religions.
And Wiccans and other pagan faiths just drive the so-called Judeo-Christian crowd apeshit.
But not as much as atheists. Because we do not believe in their hoary thunderer uni-god, we are the worst of all. If we do not believe in their god, we therefore cannot possibly believe in anything. Their god is the only thing keeping us from all being murderers. THIS is the greatest and most offensive delusion of all time. The overwhelming majority of murderers in America are Religionists, and the overwhelming majority of THEM are Christians. It is I who should be afraid of THEM, not the other way around.
Instead, I’M the one who’s less trustworthy than a rapist.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 5:12 pm
Rene, you sold me on Brazil months ago. What’s a nice apartment go for over there? Will they allow me to move there?
Hell, you had me back then, but now you’ve really got me with “the decadence of the atheistic cultural elite.” Hot damn, I want part of THAT!
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 5:17 pm
My buddy John Ostrander did a lot of research into native African religions. This was several decades ago, when John’s ass was closer to his Jesuit college’s doorknob. Anyway, he shared a lot of that with me and it was absolutely fascinating. Still is.
So when I was calling out Asian faiths two postings up, I neglected to list even a few African faiths. I rationalized that few would have heard of them. But I want to amend my statement about non-white religions to include native black faiths as well.
Which, I think, would scare a LOT of Americans.
Rene
February 7, 2012 - 6:22 pm
Mike, Americans are very much welcome here.
I like my country. Brazilians, as a general rule, aren’t fanatical about anything except soccer and hot women. I think the only time we had an explosion of religious fanaticism was in the late 19th-century, and involved people living in extreme poverty in remote, rural regions.
We do have Evangelicals, and they’re a growing minority, but the agressiveness and muscularity of Evangelical Protestantism will always be a little alien here in the tropical heat. At heart, we’re Catholics (with a lot of African influence) that enjoy the imagery and pageantry of faith, but don’t let that faith keep us apart from the nicer things in life.
Rick Oliver
February 7, 2012 - 7:32 pm
There is a commonly believed fallacy that societal moral codes stem solely from religion and therefore you cannot possibly have any moral code if you have no religion. I blame the Jews for starting this trend. (But everybody always blames the Jews.) The Greeks and Romans had moral codes and mostly completely amoral gods.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 8:33 pm
Rick, you went from Firesign Theater to Tom Lehrer (one word change). Next, I’m expecting Will Rogers. Then Mark Twain. Jonathan Swift. And then you’ll go back to the very beginning, with Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner…
… both of whom will tell you it started with Harry Ritz.
Mike Gold
February 7, 2012 - 8:40 pm
Rene, it would be interesting to see of the volume of obvious religious activity on a day-to-day basis (as opposed to festivals, Christmas, whatever) is greater in Brazil or in the States. I mean that; I’m really interested in a comparison.
I played soccer in high school; it was the only thing I was really good at, sports-wise. But it’s not a game for teevee. You’ve really got to be there to see it. Maybe that’s changed with widescreen HDTV — that made a world of difference in hockey. With a good crew and a good play-by-play (which is true of any televised sport), hockey in HDTV is as exciting as it is live. I got a HDTV about 18 months ago — finally — and we’ve watched maybe three times as much hockey ever since.
Hot women… well, I think I’m officially an old coot now, but, hey, I’m willing to offer an informed opinion!
MOTU
February 7, 2012 - 10:09 pm
I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children’s laughter remind us how we used to be
Everybody searching for a hero
People need someone to look up to
I never found anyone to fulfill my needs
A lonely place to be
So I learned to depend on me
[Chorus:]
I decided long ago, never to walk in anyone’s shadows
If I fail, if I succeed
At least I live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can’t take away my dignity
Because the greatest love of all
Is happening to me
I found the greatest love of all
Inside of me
The greatest love of all
Is easy to achieve
Learning to love yourself
It is the greatest love of all
I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children’s laughter remind us how we used to be
[Chorus]
And if by chance, that special place
That you’ve been dreaming of
Leads you to a lonely place
Find your strength in love
MOTU
February 7, 2012 - 10:09 pm
THAT’S what I believe. 😉
Mike Gold
February 8, 2012 - 6:43 am
What, that children are the future? It ain’t so, McGee. Children are their future. Not mine.
Doug Abramson
February 8, 2012 - 9:01 pm
“With a good crew and a good play-by-play (which is true of any televised sport), hockey in HDTV is as exciting as it is live.” I agree with this completely. Its still bring as hell, but its just as good as being there. 🙂 But, what do I know? My preferred sport is based in hitting a round ball with a round bat and running around in a circle, for three hours.
Mike Gold
February 8, 2012 - 10:50 pm
Much like real life, Doug!
Marc Alan Fishman
February 9, 2012 - 12:25 am
Wow, late to the party but I still he there’s a plate of bagel dogs left. I was raised Jewish I’d like to think in some way I still am. But in all honesty I’m at a point inmy life where I really would want proof of existence before committing to a deity. I say this having witness the miracle of childbirth not two weeks awo. There it was, perhaps the most cathartic experience a person can have, and I can clearly say I felt no presence of a higher power. I felt the joy of seeing new life start right before my eyes.
Frankly for those that have blind faith, I have an equal sense of jealousy and pity. To believe in something is amazingly impossible as the bible as being literal truth… And spitting in the fae of scientists who has facts to prove it all otherwise? Seems like a waste to me. I envy those that can be so devoted to something they only “feel”. I dont want to deny them their rights to hold those opinions though. My own mother in law is a devout born again Christian. She found her faith after beating breast cancer. I admire her faith as its given her great strength in the face of adversity. But I can say at this point in my own life, I do not share the same feelings.
The fact is I will raise my son as a reformed jew. I will expect him to have a bar mitzvah. And then he can do whatever he wants after that. I consider that my deal with god should he exist. Cause the fact is if there is in fact a god, I want to be on his good side when doom finally destroys the earth.
Rick Oliver
February 9, 2012 - 11:35 am
I still can’t see the puck. I’m glad they blow the big horn so I’ll know when someone scores.
Steve Atkins
February 10, 2012 - 12:04 am
I’m a Locked-Up Presbyterian…longing to be Free….