Pro-Death… By Whitney Farmer – Un Pop Culture | @MDWorld
April 11, 2012 Whitney Farmer 18 Comments
Whitney runs a rock music venue on the beach in L.A.. She has an M.B.A, and continues to practice forgiveness…with some unforced errors.
Convicted murderer Charles Manson is expected to NOT appear in court for his 12th parole board hearing wherein his attorneys will ask for his release. Since 1997, he has allowed others to plead the cause of a prisoner who is unrepentant and noncompliant. Within the last three years, he has been caught twice with cellphones that have been smuggled in on his behalf and with a homemade weapon. His legal team continues to recommend that Manson be transferred to a mental health facility in Atascadero to live out his days.
Such things should not be so.
Capitalizing on a temporary ban on capital punishment in 1997, Manson had his sentence commuted to life in prison, astonishingly, with the possibility of parole. The subsequent years have allowed the cult of his personality to grow and thrive. The home of the Tate murder has become not a memorial to the tragedy, but more often a shrine to the horror. It was once sublet to a rock band who built a production studio there where they recorded their second lucrative album in the midst of their black paint and bloodied cross décor.
There are some types of evil that grow stronger with attention. Celebrity becomes a fuel that powers a monstrous machine. The breath that still is housed in the skin sack full of demons that is Manson taunts the family and friends of the victims with public commentary that arrogantly plays between the maudlin and the dangerous. Their lives have become a lifelong battle to keep a killer restrained. If they hadn’t battled for the last forty years, Manson could have been freed during any of the last twelve opportunities and be standing next to you at a 7-11 buying a Slurpee. As Alfred Hitchcock successfully hypothesized, evil is more striking when it is unexpected and housed in the mundane. And Manson, like others with dark souls, has nothing else intriguing about them that would make you look twice at their resume.
Within a republic, victims of crime enter into a social contract wherein they forego individual vengeance in exchange for the ideal, even-handed justice that weighs evidence and impartially judges. The hope is that all citizens will be afforded the same opportunity in the event that they fall under suspicion. That’s the social contract.
The handling of Manson has been a courtly romance rather than justice from the courts. To say that he deserves confinement in a hospital for treatment is an insult to souls who suffer from mental illness rather than glory in the title as if it is a privileged club, and it denies what should be the appropriate expectation of citizens who offset all natural inclination to punish evil through eradication.
I once met a man who had been imprisoned for theft for a few years. During that time, he claimed that he had been used by prison guards to kill a child murderer who was expected to be argued into freedom. He described being left alone with the hated target in the kitchen with a knife during food prep assignment, guns trained on him from above in case he decided against becoming the Hand of the King. His story might have been a lie. But it couldn’t have traction if there wasn’t an uncomfortable sense that sometimes death is called for in order to protect the innocent and honor the dead, and that sometimes the necessity of that is denied. In that event, the wound remains unhealed even as new wounds become probable.
The Ten Commandments state, “Thou shalt not murder”, not ‘kill’. Killing to teach a lesson as well as to purge an influence is in fact essential, sanctioned and prescribed. That decision – made soberly and even with heartbreak over the final disposition over the unredeemable who once had been the child who could have loved and been given love – once made, closes the book. It prevents the infection that could erupt into Thunderdome within a society.
The quote of Jesus of “Judge not, or you too will be judged…” is inaccurately shortened to “Judge not…” The full context continues, “For in the same way you judge, you will be judged. And with the same measure you give it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:1-2. There is the potential for boundless evil in the human heart, and even wrath that stays hidden has consequences. It destroys families and careers, but it is different than if that wrath was nurtured and given birth and championed and murders without remorse. If that is the measure that is given, every person of conscience should embrace that consequence of death via capital punishment if that’s what we personally dish out.
If I ever do what Manson did, kill me. Please. Your hands will be clean. Close the book and heal the wound.
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Quote of the Blog, from Plato: “Knowledge without justice ought to be called cunning rather than wisdom.”
Photo courtesy of Sharon Tate Official Website, administered by the Tate Family.
Reg
April 11, 2012 - 8:32 pm
Teach, Sis.
Alice
April 11, 2012 - 11:22 pm
Manson and those like him should be put to death with malice and without pity. They should suffer like their victims did.
Moriarty
April 12, 2012 - 8:17 am
Whitney,
This opinion is probably going to be unpopular here:
Who makes the decision “soberly and even with heartbreak” to kill; Law enforcement, the governor, victim’s families, a popular vote? And who defines the difference between murder and just plain old killing? Who decides what a capital offense is? Is it 1st degree murder, second, manslaughter, child molestation, arson, robbery, family planning doctors in a red state?
I get as frustrated as the next guy because evil goes unpunished, but I don’t want to become a killer, or have the state kill in my name just because some idiots idolize Charles Manson. His photo and a story about him were in the paper this week. I don’t know if that happened across the country or just here because he is housed 60 miles away, but if the media would stop throwing him up every time he comes up for parole or carves a swastika into his forehead, he would die in obscurity.
Instead of lining them up and shooting them, let’s instead make prisons just rows of cement boxes with bunks and toilets. No windows, no TV, no books, no interaction with other prisoners, no exercise, no outdoor time, no access to college courses, no religious services, no medical services, no nothing but four walls and time.
Let me remain a non-killer and let them die slowly.
MOTU
April 12, 2012 - 11:32 am
Having had my share of horrible things that have happened to my family because motherfuckers like Manson have no respect for anyones life but there own, I think we give them the same respect Manson and his like deserve.
That said, I’m willing to see you half way Whitney, shoot him in his knees, his balls and his mouth.
THEN let him die slowly.
See that-I can compromise just like the next guy.
Whitney
April 12, 2012 - 11:37 am
Moriarty –
It’s essential to give voice to unpopular opinion. Please don’t think of going silent.
I must confess to inner conflicts. There is a practical aspect to capital punishment. Someone gives the order. Someone operates as the technician. Someone cleans up the mess. All somber and ideally done without high fives, or risk becoming a monsterous audience member. This must not become an entertaining spectator sport.
But where there is life, there is hope. And these hopes include political machinations that can overturn rightly determined justice that becomes possible as the agony connected to crimes becomes two-dimensional with time. Except to the loved ones of the victims.
Such things should not be so.
As was said about the Holocaust, ‘Never forget.’
The HOW of that is the question.
Whitney
April 12, 2012 - 11:41 am
Alice –
You write like someone who has lost someone who you loved. You are an important voice that needs to be heard.
It’s important for everyone to not lose sight of horrors such as this, and not let intellectual gymnastics rob families of justice.
Whitney
April 12, 2012 - 11:44 am
MOTU –
You are one of those in an elite group that no one wants to join. You have lost family through murder.
That you DON’T murder in return but wait on the system of justice always seems like a miracle of grace to me.
Whitney
April 12, 2012 - 11:46 am
Regis –
Definitely feel less than the task requires on this one. Maybe that is the way life and death opinions should feel.
Reg
April 12, 2012 - 1:10 pm
Whitney, in truth, my flesh and spirit do war with respect to this unfortunate aspect of the human condition. Perhaps one day we’ll have the opportunity to reason together for the purpose of gaining clarity on the greater truth when it comes to understanding both the origin and ultimate overcoming of this past and present evil. I strongly suspect that the answer to the mystery of both lies in the two Gardens.
Martha Thomses
April 12, 2012 - 5:00 pm
I can see every side of this. There are people who are so awful that i feel safer with them off the street. At the same time, I believe our system of justice is based on the idea of paying one’s debt to society and then being rehabilitated. I don’t know where insanity (and pedophilia) fit into this, since they can’t (yet) be cured.
Manson is slime, though. He is not the case I would use to change the system.
Whitney
April 13, 2012 - 12:11 am
Divine Ms. Martha –
Janet Reno said that if she was in the legislature, she would vote against it. But if she was prosecuting a case, she would support capital punishment.
That makes sense to me. This shouldn’t be easy.
Whitney
April 13, 2012 - 12:25 am
Regis –
Two gardens? Before and after?
I’ve been pondering much in my garden these days. A packet labeled ‘cantalope’ yielded radishes. Got me thinking. Also have been meditating on the word ‘broadcast’. It was borrowed from farming and describes a method of sowing seed.
Sobering thought for those working in the media. What seeds are we sowing when we broadcast? What happens when Manson gets a mic?
Rene
April 13, 2012 - 5:12 am
This is one of the few areas in which I strongly disagree with Liberals. If slime like Manson ever killed or seriously hurt one of my loved ones, I’d expect the State to make him pay the ultimate price. No other resolution would be acceptable to me.
In answer to Moriarty, I’d propose the death penalty to crimes like murder, rape, or causing any sort of bodily harm that is both permanent and crippling. Obviously, things like intent should be taken into account.
I’m not a forgiving person in such matters. I don’t believe anyone who rapes or kills in cold blood has a significant chance to be rehabilitated. Anything he or she could still contribute to society is overshadowed by the pain and disruption their continued presence causes.
In a world with overpopulation and people going hungry in the streets, it’s obscene that the government should spend good money to keep garbage like Manson fed and clothed.
It may seem paradoxical to others, but it makes perfect sense to me that, in relation to minor crimes, I’m very tolerant. We should strike down from the books all the victimless crimes like drug use. We should make sure that people who steal non-violently, particularly poor people, receive more rehabilitation than punishment.
And we keep prisons only for violent criminals or those criminals whose actions impaired a great number of people, like white collar criminals. And the REALLY violent criminals, we exterminate.
Moriarty
April 13, 2012 - 11:04 am
Rene, I get where you are coming from. Wanting revenge over someone who hurt or took the life of a loved one is a knee jerk reaction that is a trait each of us has. I would imagine I’d want the same thing if someone killed or seriously hurt someone I cared about. But what does killing the killer accomplish in the end? It doesn’t bring anyone back and it doesn’t deter crimes of passion; where logic goes out the window. And the criminal doesn’t experience a millisecond of suffering. To be honest, if you want him to experience the hurt he caused, it makes more sense to instead kill someone he loves. Will it come to that?
Killing because of limited resources is a slippery slope. Are we going to modify the conditions of who gets put to death as those resources dwindle? Are we going to just add the killer’s body to those resources? Hey, that sounds like a pretty interesting idea for a story; sort of Logan’s Run meets Jonathan Swift.
Whitney,
Once again, thanks for this forum where civilized discussions continue to take place over very emotional subjects. This is an important subject we are discussing while our “leaders” are arguing far, far less important issues.
Rene
April 14, 2012 - 10:45 am
I’m not sure it’s a matter of revenge, Moriarty. If anything, I think like Rorschach in Watchmen when it comes to the death penalty in the case of murderers and rapists. In a universe that maybe doesn’t make any intrinsic sense, it’s up to each of us to do our best to make it so it does make sense.
Manson killed Sharon Tate for his insane reasons. She is dead. Everyone who cared for her had their own personal universes made more meaningless. And Manson is living, famous, doesn’t have to work for his living, and is sustained by the tax dollars, including tax dollars of people who cared for Sharon Tate. The meaninglessness of the murders was enhanced by the mockery of his punishment.
Why be a good citizen? Your reward can be pain and sorrow. Why not be a bad citizen? Your reward may be fame and the state providing for you. Hello, nihilism.
Executing murderers and rapists, giving them a death that does make sense, allows for closure and an a partial restoration to meaning.
As for your specific points, poetic revenge is pretty much impossible in the case of many murderers. A disproportionate number of them are psychopaths, and they don’t really care for anyone enough. Even if I countenanced the insane notion of killing THEIR loved ones, it doesn’t work when they don’t have real loved ones.
And please, no slippery slope arguments. I find it interesting that we get so many of them from the opponents of the death penalty, making it similar to the arguments of pro-lifers in the abortion discussion, and the anti-gay folks in the gay marriage discussion.
The funny thing about slippery slopes is that they can always be reversed. I could argue that, when you abolish the death penalty as inhumane and say it’s not up to us to judge who deserves to die, then the next step would to abolish life sentences as inhumane and who are you to judge that a man should be kept in prison for life? And maybe any amount of jailtime is inhumane? Maybe we should just give up on punishing criminals, because nobody can judge anybody? That is a slippery slope argument too.
mortarty
April 14, 2012 - 12:57 pm
Rene,
Interesting points. Thanks for your responses.
MOTU
April 14, 2012 - 7:43 pm
Moriarty wrote
“But what does killing the killer accomplish in the end?”
I’ve had two people in my immediate family murdered-so I’ll tell you what killing those bastards accomplishes:
1.They suffer the same fate as their victims EXCEPT they know that shit is coming. It reduces their sorry existence to years of watching the clock knowing that they will die. If I had my way and there was video tape evidence of their crime I’d put a bullet in their head as soon as I heard ‘guilty.’
2. It causes the killer’s family to go through the same pain as the victims. Yeah-I’m a heartless prick and when I tell someone ‘Fuck you and your family’ I mean that shit.
3. I don’t give a fuck rather on not it deters crime. I’ll say that again I don’t give a FUCK rather or not it defers crime. It will certainly stop the KILLER from killing again.
I’ve got more, a LOT more but here’s something that may interest you.
WHAT if the shoe was on the other foot? What if I had a member of MY family who killed someone? Would I still feel the same way?
Well- it just so happens I have a cousin who is serving life in prison for murdering a family of four. When I was a kid he was my favorite cousin. What about him?
Put a fucking bullet in his head.
Moriarty
April 15, 2012 - 8:03 pm
MOTU
I meant no disrespect to you or those you care about. You have to understand I’m coming from a place where I’ve not experienced the loss of a loved one through violence. This allows me the luxury of commenting purely from an academic standpoint without emotion.