Price to Pay, by Martha Thomases – Brilliant Disguise | @MDWorld
July 16, 2012 Martha Thomases 11 Comments
Because we are governed by idiots, the so-called “Bush tax cuts” are about to expire. Again. And I say we are governed by idiots because the last time this happened, Congress extended the cuts just long enough so we could have the same arguments we had a year or so go right before the presidential elections.
President Obama wants to extend the cuts for households earning less than $250,000 a year and individuals earning less than $200,000. Mitt Romney wants to extend them for everyone.
Perhaps you are saying, “Isn’t that fair? Why single out one group of people to pay more taxes?”. I like fairness. I’d like to pay lower taxes. So what’s the problem?
The problem is that it’s not really fair. As you can see from this chart, the tax cuts disproportionally benefit the wealthiest people. At the same time, the cuts in services advocated by the deficit hawks to balance the budget disproportionally affect the poorest people. Cuts to Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security won’t make a difference to Romney’s peers, but they will make a huge difference to average American families (who earn a median income of about $50,000 a year per household).
At this point, someone will say, “But what about the small business owner? He or she is a job creator!”. It is true that most new jobs come from small businesses, and a great many small business owners file individual,not corporate returns. However, according to a bi-partisan study, only 3.5 percent of small business owners report such a large income, and they are primarily doctors and lawyers with individual practices. They may be good folks,but they don’t create all that many jobs. These 3.5 percent account for more than half the taxable income for this particular sub-group of the population. The other small business owners are the 96.5 percent. Perhaps they should occupy something.
We’ve had the so-called Bush tax cuts in effect for the better part of a decade. If they were going create jobs, they would have. Instead, we’ve seen far more job growth because of the stimulus (yes, I mean the “failed” stimulus, which failed in part because it wasn’t enough and 1/3 of it was tax cuts) and the auto bail-out.
If the Republicans are going to run on a platform that advocates lower taxes and a balanced budget, they should be required to say whose taxes are going to be lowered and by how much, as well as what government programs will be cut and by how much. Otherwise, I will simply assume they are going tout my taxes by a few bucks and cut off my Social Security.
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Martha Thomases, Media Goddess, thinks maybe the 99 percent should open off-shore accounts if Romney gets elected.
Steve
July 16, 2012 - 2:01 pm
Tax policy always makes for interesting debate. A recent poll suggest fully 78% of those people advocating President Obama’s tax policy have either never run a business, nor are currently employed. As a business operator, this makes a great deal of sense to me.
Martha Thomses
July 16, 2012 - 2:54 pm
I’ve run a business, Steve. Several of them. And I’ve been employed by major corporations, small start-ups, and myself. And I learned about taxes from my father, one of the most successful entrepreneurs you could hope to meet.
Mike Gold
July 16, 2012 - 7:04 pm
I’ve also run a business, Steve, Several of them. And I, too, have been employed by Fortune 500 companies — Time Warner, ABC Networks (pre-Disney), the Tribune Company. And I have been self-employed. Sometimes these overlap. Short attention span.
But not so short that I don’t remember how we used to have a middle class in America. How we used to lead the world in health care, in science, in education. And I advocate President Obama’s tax policy as well.
JosephW
July 16, 2012 - 9:05 pm
Steve, you might do well in remembering that the majority of GOP politicians have also “never run a business” and their employment is FULLY FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT (with a paycheck that’s more than 3 times what the median household income is–not to mention the ability to get FULLY-PAID FOR health care with as little as 90 days “on the job”).
As to the poll respondents’ lack of a job, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Would you feel better if the poll respondents had been laid off or fired from companies that used the Bush tax cuts to move their operations to China and India? Would THAT make you accept their lack of employment?
As to the “run a business” crap, I trust you’re aware of some of the following figures: 93% of all small businesses have annual incomes of LESS than $150K (Obama wants to PROTECT those businesses by KEEPING the tax cuts for them); 57% have incomes of less than $25K; slightly more than half of all small business are HOME-BASED and more than 60% have NO employees.
mike weber
July 17, 2012 - 5:39 am
Steve: Would you, perchance, care to name that poll, and state who paid for it?
Doug Abramson
July 17, 2012 - 11:39 am
JosephW, how dare you use facts and common sense. This is a political argument dammit!
Steve
July 18, 2012 - 9:31 am
To all my new friends who reside somewhere to my left: My intent is neither to offend, nor persuade. The former is a waste of time. The latter, even more so. I weighed in because I know and respect Martha. More so, because it must be boring y’all being on the same (wrong) side of the issue, but mostly just for sport. So now I must admit my statistics, like most, were fabricated. But now will someone please explain to me how higher taxes on the wealthy will help re-establish a middle class? Perhaps if the wealthy are taxed enough, they BECOME the middle class? Yes, that must be it.
Martha Thomses
July 18, 2012 - 2:41 pm
Steve, it’s not higher taxes on the wealthy that helps the middle class, but that the cuts that result without them hurt the middle class disproportionally. In other words, we can have Docial Security or lower taxes on the rich. School breakfasts or tax breaks on the rich. More teachers, fire fighters and cops, or tax cuts for the rich.
I know which I prefer, and my taxes will be among those raised. So I’m putting my money where my mouth is.
Steve
July 19, 2012 - 9:30 am
My perspective: No matter how much revenue our federal gov’t brings in, they will spend all of it and more. Excessively more. I think this is unsustainable. See Exhibit A: Europe. If you are as troubled as I am about the mess (financial and economic) we are leaving our children, then you would agree there is a spending problem. Until our president and congress realize this, I cannot in good conscience allow them to raise my taxes. The day they admit our borrowing and spending habit is the problem, and then act responsibly, I will agree to pay more in taxes. President Obama has had nearly 4 years to bring some leadership and clarity to this issue. He has failed miserably. Seems to me that most of his effort has been spent dividing the population into particular voting blocks. A shameful disregard for the power he has squandered for his first and hopefully final term. We all agree the tax code is outdated and requires comprehensive reform. Let’s start there.
Martha Thomases
July 19, 2012 - 9:39 am
The countries in Europe that spend the most on the social safety net (Iceland and Sweden, for example) are doing much better than the ones that have cut spending (England and Ireland, for example). So I think we’re learning the wrong lessons if we implement austerity.
The only voting blocks I see Obama dividing us into regarding tax policy are those who earn more than $250,000 a year and those who earn less. And he’s only proposing that those earning more pay the same rates they payed in the 1990s, when quite a lot of jobs were created. If anyone is doing the dividing, it’s the Koch brothers, and their astro-turfed Tea Party pawns.
Ellen Tebbel
October 8, 2012 - 3:57 pm
Up with the Middle Class. Down with those assholes who don’t vote, because that is how we get bad people elected as President and/or other offices,
I have never minded paying taxes. I have minded what they have done with the money