I’ll Be Seeing You, by Martha Thomases – Brilliant Disguise | @MDWorld
June 15, 2013 Martha Thomases 16 Comments
There is so much back-and-forth about the NSA spying scandal that I can’t figure out which positions are supposed to be “left” and which positions are supposed to be “right.” Is the government reading my e-mails? Do they track my phone calls?
Should they?
Let me say up front that, probably, no, they shouldn’t. But also, I don’t care that much.
I think this is one of those issues, like guns, in which one’s living situation makes a big difference in how one thinks. There is an urban and rural divide.
If you live out in the middle of nowhere, in a place where meth production is a dominant industry, you might think having a gun in your house is a good idea. In the city, where we are constantly bumping into each other, we benefit from relying on more labor-intensive and conspicuous weapons. Most Americans, no matter where they live, agree on background checks (see above reasons for having or not having a gun), but after that, our personal situations affect our opinions.
It’s the same with the government spying on us. If you live out in the country, with your own personal plot of land, and your own personal car and your own personal water supply (maybe), then I can understand that you think you can live your life unobserved. For those of us in cities, however, it’s different.
I live across the street from a nursing home, so I can’t even get out of bed without the possibility of someone seeing me (which is why my blinds are drawn most of the time). I get to where I’m going by mass transit, which means there are always other people in transit with me. I can’t take a solitary walk because there is no solitude, unless I go all Zen. Which, as a city person, I’ve learned how to do.
This isn’t complaining. This is where I want to be, and I’ve made my peace with the trade-offs. And I live my life under the assumption that everything I do can be observed.
New Yorkers are profoundly judgmental. If you are a tourist, and you are walking around in baggy shorts, flip-flops, and a tight t-shirt over your average American flab, you can be sure we see you, and we have an opinion. Your waiter, observing you order your meal, is deciding how much of a rube you are based on your choices. You can’t walk down our sidewalks (too slowly, too spread out, with your gigantic backpacks and on the wrong side) without us taking note.
Believe me, I’m more afraid of my fellow citizens seeing me walk into an Applebees than I am of the government reading my e-mails.
Also, I’ve always assumed the government was reading my e-mails, listening on my phone calls, and doing whatever else they wanted to do. In the mid-1970s, when I lived on a commune that published an anti-war magazine, the FBI staked themselves out down the road on the assumption that Patty Hearst was with us. We know from FBI files, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, that they bugged our phones. I hope they enjoyed all the drama I was going through with my mother at that time.
I don’t like it. I didn’t like it when Bush did it and I don’t like it now.
But, I have to say, I’m not that interesting. Being observed by the government might be the most exciting thing to happen to me all year.
Martha Thomases, Media Goddess, will consider better offers for exciting things.
Mike Gold
June 15, 2013 - 8:14 am
You’ve actually walking into an Applebees? Really? Did you order anything?
No high horse here. Applebees sucks. Last time I was there, nearly 20 years ago (just south of Sandusky Ohio), I had a horrible case of the munchies and would have eaten my car if I had that high horse. Half-way through my hot meat meal, I decided it wasn’t worth it. I’d rather eat a box of Hostess donuts at the gas station.
So I REALLY can’t see you eating there. Certainly, not twice.
Martha Thomases
June 15, 2013 - 8:31 am
I’ve been in an Applebees exactly once (and in Ohio!) because I was being taken out and had no say in the matter. Luckily, it was in Ohio, so there was no one who could see me who was important.
Neil C.
June 15, 2013 - 12:17 pm
I know people who don’t want to get EZ Passes because “they can track your movements.” Is the government really that interested in how many times I’m traveling to Atlantic City or going to visit my mom and friends on Long Island? The NSA thing might be wrong, but it’s nothing that hasn’t been going on since J. Edgar Hoover rose to power. I think a lot of people who thought Obama would end all this stuff are disappointed, but it’s like everything else: it sounds like a good idea until you’re hit with the pragmatism of what is going on and how many other people in the government would have to help you out. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I don’t think we’ll ever have a ‘Prez’ type president (to keep it in comic book terms).
Mike Gold
June 15, 2013 - 12:31 pm
Yeah. Those people who won’t get EZ Passes for the reason you stated are idiots. The closest tollbooth that will scan my EZ Pass transponder is about 15 miles away. By that time, my car has been picked up on more than one dozen TV cameras — that I am aware of. If I park my car (which will happen, eventually) chances are overwhelming that I will have passed another camera, either in the parking lot, or on an office building or a storefront, or at a nearby traffic light.
But most likely, I will have passed cameras AT the parking lot and AT various office buildings and AT various stores AND at several traffic lights.
Once again, I ask the general public: Show me where in the Constitution it says I have any right to privacy.
Doug Abramson
June 15, 2013 - 7:59 pm
Mike,
You’re right that the right to privacy is not in the Federal Constitution (Its in at least one state constitution, but that’s a topic for a different day). I know some people who will point to Miranda and other judicial interpretations of the Fifth Amendment, but those are really curbs on law enforcement; not a bolster of an individual’s rights. Others I know would point to the Castle Doctrine, but that’s a state by state issue, not Federal.
George Haberberger
June 15, 2013 - 10:15 pm
”If you live out in the country, with your own personal plot of land, and your own personal car and your own personal water supply (maybe), then I can understand that you think you can live your life unobserved.”
Well as I revealed in a post here: https://mdwp.malibulist.com/2013/06/apex-predators-sunset-observer-4-by-whitney-farmer-un-pop-culture-mdworld/#more-8242
I am that person. I do not have a gun though, (unless you count a potato gun, [those things are really fun]).
My wife and I have vacationed in New York City about 5 times in the last six or seven years. We did all the touristy things the first couple of times; Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, Empire State Building, Top of the Rock, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, walked the Brooklyn Bridge. Lately we go for Broadway plays. Saw Jim Parsons in Harvey and John Lithgow in The Columnist last year. In March we saw Scarlett Johansson in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and Emilia Clarke in Breakfast at Tiffanys. Maybe we are being judged for coming to Broadway to see celebrities on stage. Don’t carry a backpack or wear flip-flops though.
We’ve eaten at Sardi’s, because well, it’s Sardi’s and I wanted to see the caricatures. Been to one of Bobby Flay’s restaurants and Guy Fieri’s because my wife likes the Food Network. But am I to assume that there are items on the menu specifically for rubes? Not adverse to going to Applebee’s but we don’t do that on vacation because we can go to a chain restaurant in St. Louis.
Of course Martha said what she said because her point was that being watched in NYC is to be expected. Well, I watch Person of Interest so that’s not news. I don’t think anyone should be surprised by government spying, even before 9/11.
Mike said, ”Once again, I ask the general public: Show me where in the Constitution it says I have any right to privacy.”?
So true and yet the “right” to privacy is the basis of the Roe v Wade decision. A legal decision based on a non-existent right. How did that happen?
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Mike Gold
June 16, 2013 - 7:02 am
George, I’ve been too preoccupied trying to figure out how the Supreme Court figured out corporations are people.
Which makes me wonder. Are black-owned corporations three-fifths people?
Howard Cruse
June 16, 2013 - 7:46 am
Back in the 1960s and ’70s most everybody in my circle of friends assumed that we were under surveillance by the FBI. It was a side-effect of living where Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover reigned. While we no doubt were crediting ourselves with a higher degree of importance than was called for (although the Nixon-Hoover mindset could be amazingly paranoid and petty), the idea that we might well be monitored regularly provided our lives with an enjoyable overlay of gallows humor, which we frequently indulged by directing brief asides to our fantasized FBI eavesdroppers during phone conversations.
I have to admit that my capacity to be seriously alarmed by the NSA’s current programs has been eroded by those memories. I am disturbed, however, that it took a “traitorous” leaker to bring the NSA’s activities into the light so that we Americans can decide how we feel about it from an informed perspective.
George Haberberger
June 16, 2013 - 7:38 pm
(although the Nixon-Hoover mindset could be amazingly paranoid and petty)
That is no doubt true but I find it ironic that while you point out their paranoia, you just assumed you were under surveillance.
Howard Cruse
June 17, 2013 - 6:44 am
I think paranoia would be a better description if we were feeling fearful, George. As it was, gallows humor about being targeted by the top echelons of our federal government was an amusingly fanciful notion for a bunch of college students in Alabama (even though investigations of anti-war activities on the local level were known to be undertaken occasionally and have been documented in the years since). We were doing a mordant take on such things.
This didn’t mean that keeping the blinds closed while smoking pot wasn’t a sensible exercise of caution, of course. Birmingham cops were genuinely on the lookout for misbehavior among the city’s “hippies,” so we kept our blinds down while toking up.
Susan Kent Cakars
June 17, 2013 - 10:59 am
There is also the question of all this listening in. They just built a gigantic building in Utah, I think it is, and they already have a huge one is Maryland, or somewhere near DC, to house all our conversations and posts. At least they are creating jobs for a small army of techies to process it all.
Susan Kent Cakars
June 17, 2013 - 11:00 am
I meant to say: the question of the COST of all this listening in.
Ed Sedarbaum
June 17, 2013 - 11:47 am
It’s not the government reading my mail or hearing my conversations that I mind. If they had a particular interest in me they’d likely get a warrant. What chills my blood is that they are — in secret — sucking up all the data they can in an immense database that they will be able to query to their hearts’ content and can continue to query as more data (meta or otherwise) pours in. What kept us safe from Hoover back then were the lack of technical tools and of course Hoover’s thick head.
Whitney
June 18, 2013 - 10:43 am
M –
Regarding Applebee’s, not violently opposed.
Haven’t been in too long, but they had/have? a great Black and Blue salad.
Plus when John Corbett did voiceover work for their commercials, he played at our club. He came into my office when I was doing some accounting to stash his backpack which had quite a bit of cash in it because they were touring. I had Jeff Buckley’s ‘Halleluia’ playing, and John spontaneously sang to me a bit.
So yeah, Applebee’s is fine with me.
George Haberberger
June 18, 2013 - 2:05 pm
Whitney, your stories are always so interesting.
Have you read this book about “Halleluia”? The Holy or the Broken: Leonard Cohen, Jeff Buckley, and the Unlikely Ascent of “Hallelujah”
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1451657846/comi0a-20/
It is amazing how widespread that song has become especially since it had a rather inauspicious debut.
Tom Brucker
June 24, 2013 - 9:12 am
Too bad Ms. Hearst didn’t contribute to WIN magazine. We could have put the donations to good use!