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July 7, 2014 Martha Thomases 13 Comments

feminist-menThe Fourth of July is an opportunity for gratitude.  As Americans, we are the beneficiaries of a system that guarantees us the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  We are free to live our lives as we see fit, as long as we respect the rights of others.

Unless we’re women.  Then all bets are off.

in the last two weeks, the Supreme Court has made it clear that, at least in the opinion of the majority, women’s rights are less important than the rights of men, or the rights of corporations.  First, they struck down the Massachusetts law that mandated a buffer zone between women’s health centers and anti-abortion protesters.

(I look forward to organizing anti-gun rallies outside of gun stores, so we can “counsel” potential gun-owners into re-thinking their choices.  I mean, sure, it’s their legal right, but it offends my deeply held religious beliefs.)

 

This week, they said that “closely held private corporations” (in this case, Hobby Lobby) have the right to subject their employees to the whims of the owners’ religious beliefs.

Specifically, the owners of Hobby Lobby want to deny their employees health insurance that includes coverage for contraceptives.  They say this is because they believe all contraceptives to be abortifacients, although this has no basis in fact.  It’s bad enough that these employers are ignorant.  It’s worse that the court values this faith-based ignorance over the employees’ right to confidential and private relationships with their doctors.

(By the way, the exalted faith of the owners of Hobby Lobby doesn’t extend to their investment practices.  They also do business with China, which is also anti-choice, in that the government demands abortion for those it decides have had enough children. I can only presume they believe in profit more than their version of God.)

Oh, and they aren’t the only ones.

It’s bad enough the Supreme Court made this decision.  It’s worse that so many people use it as an opportunity to blame women for being complete (which means sexual) human beings.  To quote one of my links, “And that’s exactly why far-right conservatives are so opposed to contraception: They correctly realize that it allows women freedoms that were once nearly impossible but for a privileged few. And their ideal society hinges on a family with the husband as head and the wife as a “helpmeet.” Contraception inches her closer to being an equal player.”

Now, I realize I’m not a Christian (although I did go to an Episcopal boarding school and take a theology class led by a priest), but I don’t remember any verses in the New Testament that encouraged believers to call women whores and sluts, as many did in the quoted article.  I guess they are as likely to be theologically consistent as they are to be scientifically consistent.

The Supreme Court initially said that their opinion in this case was to be defined narrowly.  But if you think you’re off the hook just because you don’t have a uterus, think again.  It’s only a matter of time before someone claims his/her religion prohibits mixing the races, or demands that women, men or both keep their heads covered.

I eagerly await the first Muslim-owned business to invoke this law.

Martha Plimpton recently wrote something that says what I’m trying to say better than I can say it.  Three out of ten women have had, or will have abortions.  I share her horror at the thought of what will happen to women denied contraception coverage, denied safe and legal abortions, and forced to go to the filthy butchers who profit from the system Hobby Lobby wants to enact.

Meanwhile, in other healthcare news, the United States once again suffers because we allow our medical system to be run for profit, not people.  People are going to die because of this, but I don’t see any anti-abortion activists picketing for the right to life of those already born.

Martha Thomases, Media Goddess, used to appreciate the Fourth of July because bathing suits went on sale, but she had a waist then.

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  1. Mike Gold
    July 7, 2014 - 2:14 pm

    Aspirin resolves the whole thing.

  2. Howard Cruse
    July 7, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    How much of an ideological bubble do these men on the Supreme Court live in? Do they have conversations with women who experience life outside of that bubble? Does it matter to them how much harm is done for ordinary citizens by their ideology-driven decisions?

  3. Tom Brucker
    July 7, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    A Quaker publisher in Yellow Springs did not deposit the percentage of federal withholding taxes budgeted for the military. After a 3 year legal saga, he “lost”. Would the case be decided any differently by this Supreme Court. What a great opportunity for Quaker, Bhuddist, Ba’hai, and other non-violent businesses to put faith into practice.

  4. George Haberberger
    July 8, 2014 - 11:31 am

    “We are free to live our lives as we see fit, as long as we respect the rights of others.
    Unless we’re women. Then all bets are off.”

    Whenever a story like this is in the news, Martha has one go-to tactic: Cast the debate as evidence of the war on women.

    That is an easy argument to make. Too bad the facts to not sustain it.

    Many women are on Hobby Lobby’s side. Many women oppose the “buffer zone” around abortion facilities.

    The lawyer for Hobby Lobby is a woman. When the decision was announced, the majority of celebrating people at the court were women.

    “Cathy Ruse, Family Research Council lawyer, pointed out that a lot of the legal challenges to the contraception mandate have been brought by ‘women who run non-profits like Little Sisters of the Poor and other women and also businesswomen who run family businesses, and that “a third of the plaintiffs in this case are women in business.’
    She also argued that the vast majority of women judges who looked at the mandate are against it. They ruled against it time and time again. Far outpacing women on the bench who ruled for it,” and reported that most women in public opinion polls are against the contraception mandate.”

    There are people of all genders, races nationalities and ages on both sides of many of these disputes. It is simply wrong to dismiss the opinion of all these women because they have a different view than you.

  5. Rene
    July 9, 2014 - 5:17 am

    It would also be nice if people didn’t assume that everyone who is pro-life is a conservative who also is in favor of “traditional” patriarchy and against other forms of contraception.

    I want women to be educated and to have access to all kinds of contraceptions other than abortions. I also want a “socialist” welfare system that is robust enough so that no young mother is forced into extreme poverty.

    Also, and complementing what George said, there are many times when it’s males who “benefit” most from an abortion. This discussion isn’t always about gender. It’s not uncommon for a young pregnant girl to be pressured by her father or by her boyfriend into having an abortion.

  6. Neil C.
    July 9, 2014 - 5:20 am

    For f—‘s sake people, it’s the woman’s choice (with input from her husband/boyfriend) and no one else’s damn business. She’s the one who’s going to carry it and have to take care of it, so let her make the damn decision about contraception/abortion, etc. It affects no one else.

  7. Rene
    July 9, 2014 - 5:28 am

    It’s ultimately the woman’s choice, but it’s the wrong choice. But hey, I am sort of philosophical about it. It’s a difficult situation in which you can’t force people to make the right choice.

  8. Martha Thomases
    July 9, 2014 - 5:49 am

    Rene, the Hobby Lobby case was not about abortion, but contraception. Despite scientific evidence to the contrary, the owners of the company “believe” that contraception is the same as abortion (in that it destroys a fertilized egg, which, as I said, it doesn’t do). Hence, they claim they have the right to micromanage their employees’ health insurance.

    Abortion isn’t a fun thing. Most women don’t decide to have an abortion lightly. Statistics show that three out of ten women will have an abortion during their lifetime, and I would prefer them to be safe and legal, rather than dangerous (even deadly) and illegal.

    I know that anti-abortion protesters like to show pictures of mangled fetuses. They should take a look at pictures of dead women who had illegal abortions. Most pro-choice advocates have too much good taste to show such things.

  9. Rene
    July 9, 2014 - 6:11 am

    Martha –

    The Hobby Lobby people are wrong. I also believe they to be stupid. In the long-term, when you deny people contraception, you end up with more abortions, not less.

    I am also well-aware that abortion isn’t a fun thing. I also deplore shock tactics such as showing women those horrible pictures. Why is is that, when someone says they’re pro-life, it seems like they have to be saddled with the mistakes and prejudices of everyone in the pro-life movement?

    It’s a difficult thing for me to say whether I prefer abortions to be safe and legal. To me it’s a bit like saying
    a murder is preferable when the victim doesn’t suffer much. No, I don’t think abortion is equal to murder. My view of the soul is that it isn’t usually fully bonded with the physical body until birth. However, abortion is still a spiritually damaging act, with karmic consequences for all those involved, not only the poor woman.

    Where I disagree with most conservatives is that I don’t believe you can ENFORCE spiritual enlightenment. People are going to male mistakes and learn from them. Also, we shouldn’t judge others harshly. Any woman who has an abortion deserves support more than condemnation.

  10. Rene
    July 9, 2014 - 6:13 am

    Oooops.

    MAKE mistakes, not male mistakes. I suppose someone could call that a Freudian slip. 🙂

  11. R. Maheras
    July 9, 2014 - 7:32 am

    The moral issues of abortion have always been troubling to me since I can remember — and it is the only women’s rights issue where I have any pause.

    When Roe v. Wade opened the legal abortion gates in the early 1970s, even abortion supporters were in agreement that it would be implemented carefully and discerningly — not simply abortion on demand. And it certainly would not be routinely done simply as a matter of convenience in the latter stages of pregnancy.

    Naturally, these lines quickly became fuzzy and loose, and today, about a million abortions are performed in the US every year. This occurred because of the never-ending advocacy of the most ardent women’s rights advocates who insist that it’s the woman’s choice, and right, to have an abortion whenever she wants during the pregnancy — even in very late stages.

    Let’s put this into perspective.

    We’ve all heard the stories about how, prior to 1973, back-alley abortions by butchers left some women lying in the gutter to die. And I agree, that was a terrible thing. But that carnage pales in comparison to the reality of abortion today, where an estimate 50 million abortions have been performed since 1973. It’s almost topsy turvy now, where, for example, in New York City in 2012, there were approximately 7,000 more abortions than live births.

    I get it that it’s necessary in cases where the mother’s health is at risk. But abortion on demand — particularly after the first trimester — has become twisted and distorted to the point it has become a corrupt and heartless monster that makes our criminal death penalty system look positively benign by comparison.

    I don’t have the wisdom of Solomon, so I don’t have an easy solution. But I will wager that 500 years from now, when they talk about the barbaric abortion butchery of our era, they won’t be referring to the old-fashioned back-alley variety.

  12. Rene
    July 9, 2014 - 8:07 am

    For once, I agree with Russ.

    However, I don’t know if we can blame all on a legal decision. To me, those millions of abortions are the symptom of a disease of depersonalization and dehumanization that afflicts human society.

    We can’t put all the blame on liberals or conservatives, secularists or religionists. The utilitarian ethics of secularists have let us down in the case of abortion, but traditional religions have done very little to promote a spirituality that works with human nature and human sexuality instead of trying to stifle it and sweep it under the rug.

    Yep, no easy solutions in sight.

  13. Neil C,
    July 9, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    Rene and Russ,
    Are you both against contraception as well, or is that ‘murder,’ too? Do you both believe that women aren’t allowed to have sex because they believe it’s fun?

  14. R. Maheras
    July 9, 2014 - 9:44 pm

    Neil — Your questions are nonsense, and a clumsy attempt to divert my very valid point to the fringe. I said nothing about contraception or sex, because they have nothing to do with the issue of abortions performed beyond the first trimester — procedures that, at some point, become institutionalized murder. Exactly when, even the medical community cannot agree on. The bar is frequently “when the fetus can’t survive with assistance outside of the womb.” But as medical technology has improved, that bar has moved significantly in the past couple of decades. I think the earliest a fetus has been removed from the womb for some reason and survived is now 21 weeks. But even that bar was arbitrary and ignores the issue of when is a fetus a little human and not simply a still inert collection of cells.

    As a kid, one of the most sobering displays of the human development cycle was the set of 24 actual human embryos and fetuses that is on display at the Museum of Science and Industry. They were donated to the museum in 1939, and show the stages of life from 28 days to 38 weeks. It sure opened MY eyes during our school field trips.

  15. Rene
    July 10, 2014 - 5:50 am

    Neil –

    Read my posts above. I said that one of the best ways of stopping abortions was to make sure women had universal access to ALL other forms of contraception, so that things won’t get to the point that an abortion is even necessary.

    Also, it usually takes two to make a child. I think guys bear a responsibility when children are aborted. To me, it’s not so much a matter of women being “sinful”, but of men and women both being irresponsible.

    As for sex and fun, yes. By all means, people should have sex for fun. However, I also prefer it if sex involves love, mutual caring, bonding, and all of that. But I’m certainly not one of those guys that think sex if for procreation only. That strangely materialistic doctrine of many traditional religions. Human beings are much more than procreating animals.

  16. George Haberberger
    July 13, 2014 - 11:36 am

    “I know that anti-abortion protesters like to show pictures of mangled fetuses. They should take a look at pictures of dead women who had illegal abortions. Most pro-choice advocates have too much good taste to show such things.”

    Sorry to jump back into this thread after so long but Martha’s statement cannot go unchallenged.

    She postulates a false choice. Pro-Life demonstrators do not demonstrate at abortion clinics because we would prefer only illegal abortions. It is not a choice between legal and illegal abortions. The point is no abortion. The “no abortion” choice does not result in pictures of dead women or mangled babies.

    There were protestors at Gosnell’s clinic before he was shut down and arrested and that facility resulted in both dead women and mangled babies.

  17. Mike Gold
    July 13, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    There never was a time in recorded history when there were no abortions. Just safe abortions and unsafe abortions. In the real world, that’s the only choice available. By eliminating the choice of a safe abortion, you are limiting all women to unsafe abortions and, therefore, we will have a lot more dead women. The choice of having a child or not was already made by this time: contrary to the hopes of those in the baby selling businesses, abortions did not dry up the flow of salable fetuses. The choice of having or not having sex is equally irrelevant. Those who seek safe abortions thought they couldn’t or wouldn’t get pregnant — I wonder why our sex education sucks so bad — or their conception prevention method failed, as all do from time to time. People were having sex before Wade v Roe, and they will continue to even if the Relioionists get their unAmerican way. And a whole lotta women who get abortions are married and are carrying their husband’s seed.

  18. George Haberberger
    July 14, 2014 - 6:33 am

    “There never was a time in recorded history when there were no abortions.”

    Doesn’t make it right. There has also always been slavery, discrimination and racism.
    We fought a war to end the first in this country and passed laws to mitigate the others.

    I don’t know why you would bring up baby-selling, other than to pivot the discussion.

    I agree that sex education needs to be a primary school subject. It should be comprehensive and exhaustive. Maybe that would enlighten people about when life begins.

  19. Rene
    July 14, 2014 - 8:02 am

    Mike –

    I was reading something the other day that applies to this discussion: Any political decision has a human cost. It’s only dishonest folks that insist that “their” side has the solution that will make it so no one ever suffers.

    If abortion is outlawed, at least some women will suffer in the hands of butcher doctors. True. One would hope that there will not be millions of women willing to go through with it. Even so, that is why I said earlier that any discussion about outlawing abortion should be coupled with realistic measures to make it so an abortion won’t be desired in the first place.

    Universal access to contraception. Extensive and honest sexual education. Fighting what remains of the stigma attached to the pregnant, unmarried woman. Finantial support to any and all pregnant women.

    Conservatives sometimes support stuff that ends promoting more abortions. You can’t condemn abortion on one side, and on the other side promote a Darwinian economy where poor people are labelled “parasites” if they receive government help and young women are labelled “sluts” if they get pregnant outside of marriage.

    That is just ASKING for women to have abortions.

    Abortion can’t be outlawed in a vacuum.

  20. Mike Gold
    July 14, 2014 - 8:08 am

    There’s a pun in that, Rene, but I’m not tacky enough to point that out.

    We tend to call all females women, particularly when we’re speaking about females as a group. In this case, I think it’s important to note that many, and probably most, of those who would seek backalley abortions are girls who are scared shitless about their parents’ and relatives and maybe even their friends finding out.

    American Conservatives will never, ever, ever agree with universal access to contraception, for the very same reasons they’re opposed to abortion: their religious indoctrination.

  21. George Haberberger
    July 14, 2014 - 9:39 am

    Indoctrination. Such a charged word with negative connotations. Certainly no Pro-Choice people are subject to indoctrination. Yet for some reason many believe abortion is a right found in the constitution.

    And religious people aren’t the only ones who are Pro-Life.
    http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

  22. Mike Gold
    July 14, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Oh, we’re subject to religious indoctrination. We overcome it. Yes, religious people aren’t the only ones who are “pro-life,” but, as Martha pointed out above in different language, “pro-lifers” are not pro-life AFTER birth.

  23. George Haberberger
    July 14, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    I wasn’t talking about religious indoctrination. I meant political indoctrination. And in today’s society, that is much more substantial than religious indoctrination, hence my statement about those who believe abortion is constitutional right.

    And please, the canard that Pro-Life people do not care about the baby after it’s born has been debunked repeatedly. Check out Catholic Charities.

  24. Mike Gold
    July 14, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    First, I was the one who used the phase “religious indoctrination.” You took umbrage at that, so I responded in context.

    Second, nobody’s talking about abortion being a constitutional right. Just because abortion was sanctified by the Supreme Court, that doesn’t mean it’s in the constitution. That takes an amendment. Abortion is a woman’s LEGAL right, to the dismay of those who demand the right to push their religion down other people’s throats — a right that the present Supreme Court seems to uphold. Freedom of Religion, my puckered ass.

    Third, yeah, yeah, Catholic Charities. Big deal. Al Capone ran soup kitchens at the outset of the Great Depression. Sorta like “let them eat cake,” but Al actually delivered the cake. Everybody’s got their PR going. Charles Yerkes had a bad rep, he paid for Yerkes Observatory, and then he quietly freaked when he found out what it cost him. What did Catholic Charities do to defend those poor kids in California who were being screamed at and had shit tossed at their bus and are being denied THEIR legal rights?

  25. George Haberberger
    July 14, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    “The Catholic Church welcomed us,” an immigrant named Bianca told CBS Los Angeles. “We are here, we are okay.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/07/10/Church-Gives-Travel-Money-To-Illegal-Aliens

    “Abortion is a woman’s LEGAL right, to the dismay of those who demand the right to push their religion down other people’s throats…”

    Abortion opposition is not solely a religious issue as I noted with the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League website.

  26. Rene
    July 14, 2014 - 5:48 pm

    Also, “religious” people aren’t some homogeneous bloc. If I remember right, the Catholic Church is against the death penalty, against most wars, and pretty much worried about poverty. It’s really the Evangelicals who are heavy on harshly punishing the criminal element, ultra-patriotic and prone to free market ideology.

    So the old chestnut that pro-lifers aren’t worried about the santity of life after birth is a accusation that fits Evangelicals better than Catholics.

  27. R. Maheras
    July 15, 2014 - 6:26 am

    I’d like to see any objective data proving that the majority of right-to-life individuals (whether they profess some faith or not) ignore kids after they are born.

  28. Mike Gold
    July 15, 2014 - 6:31 am

    Just turn on your teevee, Russ. Even Fox Noise covers it.

  29. Rene
    July 15, 2014 - 8:03 am

    Russ –

    Hard evidence would be pretty hard to find. Only a very honest person would answer in the negative to a poll asking if they felt sad if a child starved…

    And I would not say that pro-lifers ignore kids. I’d rather say that Conservatives in general appear to value individual well-being less. Or, rather, that these worries in Conservatives are balanced with strong concern about competitiveness, nationalism, efficiency, etc.

    I’m reminded of a book that says that the disconnect among liberals and conservatives comes from the fact that liberals only really respect 4 values (I think they were fairness, empathy, and a few others), while Conservatives had something like 10 values (the “liberal” values, plus six others, including purity, group loyalty, and some others that are foreign to liberals).

  30. George Haberberger
    July 15, 2014 - 10:22 am

    Rene,

    I would really like to read that book. Any clues about the title?

  31. R. Maheras
    July 15, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Mike — Sorry, but I have to call you on that “Even Faux News covers it” non-answer.

    Remember… I have a journalism background.

  32. Mike Gold
    July 15, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    Russ — OK. If you’re going to the Baltimore ComicCon, you bring your J degree and I’ll bring mine. We’ll have a duel in front of Camden Stadium. Unless the White Sox are playing. If so, we’ll both go in and hope for the best.

  33. Mike Gold
    July 15, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    Russ — OK. If you’re going to the Baltimore ComicCon, you bring your J school degree and I’ll bring mine. We’ll have a duel in front of Camden Yards. Unless the White Sox are playing. If so, we’ll both go in and hope for the best.

  34. R. Maheras
    July 16, 2014 - 12:36 pm

    We’ll get Stan Lee to be the referee. And then you’ll suddenly pretend to be a woman like Thor and I’ll pretend to keel over dead like Archie. And as a finale, we’ll both bite the heads off of some rubber Godzillas thrown at us by Svengooli and Elvira! The Internet would overheat from the buzz we’d create.

    I like it!

  35. Mike Gold
    July 16, 2014 - 12:43 pm

    HA! Rich would love it! I wonder if he’s ever done a rubber chicken toss for charity.

    (You-all who have no idea what we’re talking about… well, you’re missing something!)

  36. George Haberberber
    July 17, 2014 - 6:41 am

    Rene,

    Is that book you mentioned; Moral Politics: “How Liberals and Conservatives Think. by George Lakoff”? I searched through Amazon and this one sound like it might be what you read.

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