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Love and Marriage, by Martha Thomases – Brilliant Disguise

June 11, 2011 Martha Thomases 31 Comments

As the columnist here with the longest marriage, I have to confess to some confusion about the Anthony Weiner controversy, at least as it regards morality.  He did something stupid (I’m a decade older than he is, and even I know that nothing is a secret on the Internet), but I’m not sure he “betrayed:” his wife.

The man had consensual mutual masturbation – long distance – with women who presented themselves as being over 21.  Commentators (I’m looking at you, Chris Matthews) question whether the women were, in fact, of legal age.  I question whether they were, in fact, all women.  A lot of the appeal of the Internet is the ability to be whomever one wants.

Married people masturbate.  Happily married people masturbate.  Just because two people are married doesn’t mean their sex drives are magically in sync.  A loving spouse will do his or her best to accommodate the hornier partner, but sometimes one just has to take matters into one own hands.

And married people (happily married people) are often attracted to people to whom they are not married.  Sometimes, we think about these other people when we’re turned on. I find that the older i get, the more diverse the pool of people to whom I’m attracted.

For example, when I was younger and went to shows, I’d spend a lot of time, not listening to the music per se, but trying to decide which musician would be best in bed.  Now I’ll make the same judgments about people in my subway car.

(And as I get older, my taste broadens.  For example, Rick Hoffman isn’t particularly my type, but I saw him in something and decided he’d be like a bulldog in bed, and now I’m greatly cheered whenever he’s on.)

New technologies are almost always first utilized for masturbatory purposes.  If you don’t believe me, watch Kristen Schaal on this episode of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.  People, even members of Congress, using the Internet for masturbation is no real surprise.

I, myself, have flirted online.  I haven’t actually sexted, because I’m a professional writer and it seems too much like work.  Instead of being aroused, I’d be distracted by which adjectives are most appropriate, and why was my partner using the passive voice?  Am I supposed to do all the work?  Being a copy editor is noble work, but it’s not sexy.  Still, if it works for you, mazel tov.

The most recent scientific research into human sexuality suggests that the idea that there is only one person who can and should be your sexual partner for your entire life is a false ideal.  Humans simply weren’t designed to be monogamous.  That doesn’t mean monogamy is impossible, or that it isn’t the right choice for some people, but it’s a choice, not a biological imperative.  Understanding this fact makes it much easier for a couple to adapt to monogamy if that’s what they want, or to work out an arrangement that works for them.

There is a frightening anti-sex attitude coming to the surface in this controversy, and it reflects America at our most puritanical and least fun.

Personally, I’d prefer my partner have virtual sex with another person instead of actual sex, which is the understanding Weiner had with his wife (according to what he said at his press conference).  Those are the rules of their relationship, and those rules are none of our business.  As long as every action involved consenting adults, it should not be a matter of public debate.  Weiner didn’t wrap himself in so-called “family values.”  He didn’t try to make anyone else’s relationship illegal.  He was stupid and sloppy (and he shouldn’t have lied, but many of us would in that situation), but so what?

And I’d rather my partner have actual sex with another person than resent me for the rest of his life.

Are we now going to demand resignations of everyone with a fantasy life?  That puts the country in the hands of those with the least imagination.

Media Goddess Martha Thomases has no naked pictures of herself, and the only topless ones are from when she was two.  Thanks your lucky stars.

 

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  1. Cayte
    June 11, 2011 - 11:14 am

    Thank you! You put into words what I was trying to figure out how to say what I felt. Love you for that.

  2. Mike Gold
    June 11, 2011 - 11:25 am

    I refer to you Lou Reed’s wonderful song about what motivates the Republican party. The song is called “Sex With Your Parents.”

  3. Howard Cruse
    June 11, 2011 - 11:42 am

    Well said, Martha. Weiner screwed up because, like so many, he was in denial about the possibility of privacy for a man in his position. But I’ve seen the word “creep” thrown around a lot by sanctimonious pundits, as if erotic interactions between adults who are in the mood for them don’t contribute some valid spice to our lives if we keep them in perspective.

    America’s lingering puritanism is all too easily stirred up when grown-ups dare to behave sexually in unauthorized ways. Sadly, politics is often the most puritanically punitive realm around. Weiner was professionally foolish to forget that, and he may pay a severe penalty for doing so. But there was nothing inherently wrong of “creepy” in what he did.

    He had some sexy fun with fellow grown-ups. More of us should allow a little of that into our lives.

  4. Reg
    June 11, 2011 - 11:47 am

    “Instead of being aroused, I’d be distracted by which adjectives are most appropriate, and why was my partner using the passive voice?”

    Brilliant! 😀

    As to whether Weiner betrayed his wife and vows thru his actions, I’d say we need to hear what she has to say. It’s one thing for him to say that they have an ‘understanding’, when in truth she’s the only one n the position to confirm or deny…and that’s the case despite the past rumors associated with Huma.

    Now if you’re asking me…in the purest sense of what marriage is supposed to represent and reflect. Yeah. He did.

  5. Martha Thomses
    June 11, 2011 - 12:21 pm

    Reg, I hate to disagree with you, but in it’s purest form, I think marriage is a partnership between two people who want to spend their lives together with love and trust. We should each be allowed to make the kind of partnership that works best for us. If monogamy is what is important to you, you should havethT, but because it is what you truly wane, not because that’s what everyone else says.

  6. The Other Frank Miller
    June 11, 2011 - 12:33 pm

    In the grand scheme of things, I don’t know why people are all up in arms about Weiner exchanging photos over the net, when we have politicians giving tax dollars to business tycoons who make the robber barons of the last centuries look like Sunday school teachers, proposing to deprive anybody who isn’t them of medical care and spreading hate against people on the basis of race, gender, nationality and sexual preference — all of which are lots more damaging to society as a whole than masturbation.

    And I agree–Rick Hoffman is hot.

  7. Mike Gold
    June 11, 2011 - 12:43 pm

    “if masturbation is a crime, I’d get the electric chair.” — Gilbert Godfried.

    That’s why I’m voting for Pee-Wee Herman.

  8. Jonathan (the other one)
    June 11, 2011 - 2:01 pm

    “Cheating” is a violation of the agreed-upon rules. If your particular agreed-upon rules include sexy fun times with other consenting adults, that’s wonderful for you. If they don’t, then that’s great for you, too – as long as you *follow* the rules.

    (I’m one of two men in love with the same wonderful woman. We have a happy family together. Unconventional, but happy.)

    And Martha, you hit the exact reason why I was never able to get into either sexting or phone sex – how am I supposed to maintain arousal while I’m selecting words? 🙂

  9. MOTU
    June 11, 2011 - 2:46 pm

    The greatest advance in cyber sex is the FaceTime app on Mac’s and IPad 2.

    So I’ve heard.

    I can just see some guy sceaming “In your face…time!”

    Not me. Don’t get me wrong,I see nothing wrong with that but Mac’s screens are a BITCH to clean.

    So I’ve heard.

    Shit…missed a spot…

  10. pennie
    June 11, 2011 - 3:17 pm

    Martha, I have to hand it to you as usual but my hand is otherwise occupied…Once again you have a firm grip on the throbbing pulse of this pole-er-izing hot topic.
    As ever sweetie, you rock–and roll!

  11. Swayze
    June 12, 2011 - 8:27 am

    The main problem is that the man is a politician and demonstrated an enormous lack of judgement given the puritanical nature of our society (and it’s getting worse). Especially since his last name is Weiner. What a gift to comedians everywhere.

  12. Martha Thomases
    June 12, 2011 - 9:25 am

    @Swayze: Also, he’s a New York Jew (who looks and sounds the part) and he’s out of the closet about his progressive agenda. If you wanted to come up with a stock-character to be the villain in a movie for rural Republicans, you couldn’t do any better.

  13. pennie
    June 12, 2011 - 9:35 am

    Martha wrote: “If you wanted to come up with a stock-character to be the villain in a movie for rural Republicans, you couldn’t do any better.”
    I could think of one. Me running for President.

  14. Reg
    June 12, 2011 - 10:32 pm

    Martha, I appreciate the statement that you made…”marriage is a partnership between two people who want to spend their lives together with love and trust.” The key terms being ‘love and trust’.

    Those two concepts are at the core of what covenanted bonds are intended to represent.

    I’m hard pressed to believe that ANY wife, especially one that’s pregnant, would find not feel betrayed by her husband getting his rocks off with strangers. Despite layers of non traditional relationships in the culture, I just can’t see Weiner telling his wife…”Honey, with you being all bloated and stuff, and with our baby wreaking havoc with your blood chemicals, and I’m dealing with all this pressure, I’m going to tweet sexy pics of myself to a couple of twitter pals. You good with that, baby? I mean you, baby, not our baby, baby.”…and Huma responding “Sure it is.”

    So if that conversation didn’t happen, then Weiner violated and betrayed his wife’s trust. And if the Newt and his GOP buds are rightly castigated for their hypocrisy and letting their small heads rule the big one, thereby calling into question their judgement, then Weiner deserves the same treatment.

  15. John Tebbel
    June 13, 2011 - 5:56 am

    “I’m hard pressed to believe that ANY wife . . . would not feel . . . . ”

    Until you’ve interviewed EVERY wife, one has no basis for the above statement. People’s acts and imaginations usually surpass our abilities to imagine them.

    And these “coventants” are bunches of bosh, set up to keep clergy fed without tiring their backs any.

    All glory to Satan! (And Penn Jillette!)

  16. Martha Thomases
    June 13, 2011 - 6:04 am

    @Reg: Every husband and every wife is different. It’s quite possible that Weiner’s pregnant wife said something like, “As long as I’m nauseous all the time, don’t you stick that thing near me,” and sent him to his computer. It’s also possible that they play games where he says, “All these women on the Internet wanted me, but I saved it for you,” because that’s the dynamic they like.

    We don’t know. That’s the point. And we have no inherent right to know.

  17. Mike Gold
    June 13, 2011 - 7:18 am

    John, have you ever talked politics with Penn? One scary dude. If you get the opportunity, stick to talking about comic books. He’s got real taste.

  18. George Haberberger
    June 13, 2011 - 7:43 am

    I refer to you Lou Reed’s wonderful song about what motivates the Republican party. The song is called “Sex With Your Parents.”

    Just looked up that song. Wow, that’s pretty disgusting. And with all due respect Lou Reed made up this song with no basis in fact so where in his psyche does it come from?

  19. Martha Thomases
    June 13, 2011 - 9:00 am

    @George: Lou Reed is a creative artist, not a journalist.

  20. George Haberberger
    June 13, 2011 - 11:08 am

    Oh I’m familiar with Lou Reed. I remember when he did a commercial for Vespa or some other scooter company. After a montage of people riding the scooters and Walk on the Wild Side playing in background, he came on and said: “Beats walkin.”

    As a creative artist he can criticize any group he wants but when he just makes up outrageous stuff that, if he were taking about a specific person would find him in court for libel and character defamation, well that’s more mendacious than creative.

  21. Martha Thomases
    June 13, 2011 - 11:57 am

    @George: Then you certainly wouldn’t appreciate Randy Newman’s “Short People.”

  22. George Haberberger
    June 13, 2011 - 12:35 pm

    “Short People” was intended to show the illogic of bigotry by replacing race with height.
    What point does “Sex With Your Parents” make other than “I Hate Republicans”?

  23. Martha Thomases
    June 13, 2011 - 12:53 pm

    If you don’t feel rage for the anti-sex, anti-pleasure flank of the Republican Party, well, that’s your choice. Lou Reed wrote a song that expressed his opinions, or the opinions of a character he created. Certainly, I’ve seen examples of the kinds of people he describes. If you haven’t, you’re lucky.

  24. Mike Gold
    June 13, 2011 - 1:23 pm

    Nope. Republicans want to fuck their parents. And that’s that.

  25. MOTU
    June 13, 2011 - 3:39 pm

    Mike said,

    “Nope. Republicans want to fuck their parents. And that’s that.”

    Damn Mike!!!!!!!! That’s harsh even for the ‘He went there’ world of MDW!

    I just don’t know what to sa…wait a sec, that does explain ‘Twig’…

  26. Mike Gold
    June 13, 2011 - 3:48 pm

    Now these old fucks can steal all they want
    And they can go and pass laws saying you can’t say what you want
    And you can’t look at this and you can’t look at that
    And you can’t smoke this and you can’t snort that
    And me baby – I got statistics – I got stats
    These people have been to bed with their parents

    I know you’re shocked but hang and have a brew
    If you think about it for a minute you know that it’s true

    They’re ashamed and repelled and they don’t know what to do
    They’ve had sex with their parents
    When they looked into their lovers eyes they saw – mom
    In the name of the family values we must ask whose family

  27. Reg
    June 13, 2011 - 7:37 pm

    JT said…”And these “coventants” are bunches of bosh, set up to keep clergy fed without tiring their backs any.”

    Methinks thou projecteth too much, sir. :-/ The concept and importance of covenant (in terms of love, trust, & faithfulness in regards to marriage)is found in virtually every culture and belief structure…Hinduism, Buddhism, and yea verily, even paganism.

    And granted, my statement affirming my difficulty in believing that any wife would be okay with her husband’s infidelity (virtual or otherwise) is based on knowing my fair share of women, looking at the divorce rate based on husband’s stepping out, and the fairly sizable number of women in prison for reacting just a tad strongly to same…it was based strictly on my opinion.

  28. Vinnie Bartilucci
    June 14, 2011 - 9:19 am

    “Nope. Republicans want to fuck their parents. And that’s that.”

    And here I thought it was their children they were trying to screw. #baDUMpum

    Online play, like any other hobby a person has, runs the risk of damaging a relationship if it is done so much it intrudes on the time that should be spent with one’s partner. People have broken up because one of the other watched too much football, played Everquest too long, or missed their wedding cause they were finishing up the scientific notes on their invention of Flubber.

    That this has a sexual aspect to it just makes the sense of being passed over worse. I mean, hubby going out because they want to talk to some folks who know as much as he about pro wrestling is one thing.

    The simplest argument is “Hey my wife cooks too, but I want to eat out on occasion”.

    If by some miracle, The representative’s wife were aware of and okay with said extracurricular practices, he could have stood in front of all and sundry and said “Yeah, so nu?”

    I’ve said it so many times – most of the time, it’s not the mistake you make that fucks you over, it’s the horrible mishandling of explaining (your way out of) it.

    The “let he who is without sin” argument very rarely works.

    (And the punchline is, “A rock flies from the crowd, and Jesus says, ‘Mom, STOP that!'”)

  29. Whitney
    June 15, 2011 - 10:51 am

    Well…sometimes at the club, we will have groups come to shows who are part of the swingers movement. I have to be honest and say that from what I’ve observed, a strong minority of the wives look miserable. If there are some who are able to hide their heartbreak, maybe it ends up being a majority.

    This is observaion from a small sample, I admit, but is being told, “We do this or else…” agreement? Maybe the partner who is faced with this threat instead, for whatever heartbreaking reason, has decided to concede to an ultimatum. If this is marriage, why be married…?

    For me, I strongly approve of the tabula rasa as the trump card that I will never relinquish. He wants something new? Great! Watch closely as I take it up another notch.

    I’d rather exert mental discipline is eliminatng him from my emotional world than trying to stop imagining him with other women.

  30. Whitney
    June 15, 2011 - 10:53 am

    …mental discipline IN elminating…

    Typo. Sorry, Edit Guerrl.

  31. Martha Thomases
    June 15, 2011 - 1:30 pm

    @Whitney: Those so-called swingers you see don’t sound like happy folks, and, you’re right, some may be coerced. Read some Dan Savage for the perspective of more satisfied participants.

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