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Just Like a Woman, by Martha Thomases – Brilliant Disguise

March 7, 2009 Martha Thomases 0 Comments

Just Like A WomanDo you go to the movies or watch television? If so, you may have noticed that there is a plethora of stories about transgendered people. The movie, TransAmerica, earned an Oscar nomination (and Golden Globe award as Best Actress) for Felicity Huffman as an MTF (Male to Female) transsexual. Among many others, All My Children, all three CSIs, Dirty Sexy Money, Nip/Tuck, Ugly Betty, Cold Case, and, this past week, House, have featured transgendered characters.

Why do I notice this? Well, partly because I’m incredibly open-minded and progressive, and picking up on trends is my business. However, the more likely reason is that one of my best friends is transgendered. Pennie (whom long-time readers will recognize from the Comments section) was someone I dated briefly in college, then obsessed about for the next decade. When we got back in touch in the mid-1990s, we quickly became friends again, and, to my mind at least, flirtatious correspondents.

Then she came out to me. And then she had the surgery that made her body match up to her mental, emotional and spiritual self-image.

I thought it might be interesting if we discussed Pop Culture Transformers.

MT: First of all, I have to ask. Did you go through with this surgery because I was so terrible in bed that you wanted to eliminate even the slightest chance that we would ever have sex again?

P: LOL…not in the least. You, my dear were awesomely amazing. And for this horny lesbian, that’s something! But your question brings up a reality for transitioning trans people: we find that many close family and friends personalize the transitioning party’s experience. Assign the “change” to their own actions or lack of when in fact, for most trans people, a lifetime of experience has propelled them to their coming out. For others the news might appear shocking or harsh. For many of us, the act itself only comes after years of silent despair and self-doubt that crystallizes in a cocoon to butterfly burst and flight into day as Bruce writes and sings so well in “The Price You Pay.”

In my case, the surgery merely relocated some valuable real estate correcting a fault line that developed in utero. Think it’s easy having a pussy AND penis? Those people who told me to go fuck myself had noooo idea…}’;>)

MT: I know that when I would watch mass media portrayals of aspects of my life that were “fashionable,” I would cringe. Hippies and peace freaks and feminists – oh my! If you watched television, you’d think we were all brain-controlled cultists. Do you feel the same disconnect when you see “yourself?”

P: Yeah, especially when “yourself,” like Walt Whitman, encompasses universes. Those people were all me as well—but with an added bonus round: intersexual androgyny. Prior to the late 1990’s, popular media portrayed trans people as criminals, perverts, and other forms of despicable low life. If a rare sympathetic trans character materialized, it was as a tragically doomed figure. Who would readily accept those bottom-feeders as role models?

Disconnect? It was present–along with revulsion and frequent identity crises. Who out there represents me? Few choices. In a 1950s-era attempt to fit in Christine Jorgensen intentionally sanitized her image so she wouldn’t offend. The media hounded her about her pussy. She compensated by being ladylike and demure. As wholesome as Mother Teresa. Little Richard was sooooo coooool but he screwed it up by relenting then disavowing his wiggle and lust. Dr. Renee Richards and Jan Morris didn’t rock my world—too aloof; too intellectual. Much better was coy Mick Jagger, then glam Lou Reed and David Bowie along with Warhol’s people and some of NYC’s punks—people you hung with at CBGBs in the 1970s, but most weren’t trans but celebrities, a bit unreal and not all that much like me–still that passionate hippie chick, avowed peace freak and flexible feminist.

Ultimately, I realized that there was no one person I could claim as a role model. Like Frankenstein’s monster, I had to create myself, melding Amazons, Lenny, Mae, Anais, Georgia, Janis, pagan matriarchal societies, Dr. King, Billie, Greek mythologies, and so much more…I devoured comics identifying with those displaced outsiders but back in the day there were few women—and none with overt kinks.

It wasn’t until recently that some forms of media got us right. Movies and books much more so than TV. Books like 2002’s Pulitzer Prize-winning Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides. Films like the aforementioned Transamerica (2005) and XXY (2008, about an Intersexed teen) are far more humane, humorous and realistic works that have as much to do with perversion and criminal behavior as jambalaya. These are characters I can not only easily abide and identify with but feel good about. TV still has a long way to go; after all we are not all glamorous rich white blondes (go figure…). The most recent House episode to which you referred earlier is a perfect illustration of this problem.

MT: There were a couple things I thought were interesting about that episode. For one thing, I identified with the parents like mad. Because they loved their child, they followed the best advice available to them at the time, from their doctor, to select a gender for their intersexed baby. It was the wrong decision, but for the right reasons. Also, at the end of the episode, we still don’t know if the child identifies as male or female. What did you think?

P: Intersexuality has always been a natural part of the human race. Been around since people. Scientific estimates place the occurrence at 1 in 2000 births in a wide variety of forms. Back in the day, medical “experts” treated these cases by recommending immediate surgery to force the newborn infant into either a male or female anatomical configuration. They steered shocked parents using visual genitalia present (mostly size) as sole criteria. Very small penis=female/very large clitoris=male. Current medical technology—CAT, MRI, etc.–wasn’t available. With a 50% chance to get it right, it is amazing how many victims encountered ensuing psychological/emotional/sexual nightmares later in life.

While I understand your natural sympathetic reaction toward the parents, this show took place in a more benevolent modern medical environment and COULD have illustrated how far we have come. In contrast to the past, medical treatment now involves more restraint. Doctors utilize available tools to determine genetic make-up, internal anatomy. Adopting a wait-and-see stance, they often don’t perform immediate genital- mutilation-cum-surgery but wait to see how the infant develops. Often, there is an honest dialogue that includes the child rather than excludes.

Clearly, due to dishonesty, (the child was never told about the genetic mosaic condition as well as advised the weekly testosterone shots were “vitamins”), the child WAS confused. This entire show was one large missed opportunity to educate the public. That characters dropped pejoratives (“she-male/ “he-she” and “freak of nature”), akin to the the “N-word” without any censure had me screaming at the TV.

MT: You’re working on a book about your experiences, and it’s really interesting. Here you are, happily married to the love of your life, someone who fell in love with you when you presented as male and stayed with you through your transition. You’ve survived. It’s a triumph. When can we expect to read it?

P: Funny you mention the book. I started it when I came out seven years ago. It began as a daily e-mail dialogue with you—my “oldest” friend. The book entitled, Just Like a Woman, is unique in that it has developed into far more than another coming out/transition story. There are already many of those. Instead, JLaW incorporates the best of our correspondence with a detailed history of trans people, from ancient times to the present; legal modifications and decisions; scientific discoveries; a history of medical treatments; a chronicle of cinematic, literary and TV appearances; the stories of some trans people who changed the world; political developments and so much more… along with my own saga —a child of the 60’s who was on her own in Las Vegas, Mexico, New York, San Francisco, and other far-flung locales from her teen years on, living life large. The details of the corrective surgery; my death and return. The book is a 360-degree examination of trans life in America, past and present, a personal and a valuable reference.

The ultimate hero of the book: my wife Maureen who has somehow stuck with me for the last 25 years or so, giving me the ultimate human gift: unconditional love. This is just so rare. She’s amazing. The story is a triumph of love on so many levels, with our four-decade friendship right up there. You stayed with me as well when so many others fled.

The book is in final edit and any smart agent looking for a unique and timely/timeless literary creation would do well to contact me via this website. After all, who would want to pass on a bestseller?


Martha Thomases, Media Goddess, wonders if her time with Pennie makes her bisexual and therefore more interesting. Alas, her husband says, “no.” (Pennie says, “YES!)

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  1. Rick
    March 7, 2009 - 7:09 am

    Ladies,

    Thanks for the honesty.

    Kissnoise,

    Rick

  2. Martha Thomases
    March 7, 2009 - 8:41 am

    Thank you, darling. Pennie is a real artist; hence, the honesty.

  3. John Tebbel
    March 7, 2009 - 8:44 am

    For the record, I do not issue rulings on anyone’s sexual preference, certainly not based on something as inconsequential as experience.

    I suggest you try “Bi-or-not.com” where if you sit on your scanner and sent it in (the results, not the scanner) they’ll put it before a panel of 100 Smith freshmen.

  4. Melanie Fletcher
    March 7, 2009 - 12:47 pm

    Thanks for the insight, Pennie. And Martha, if the one you did boingy-boingy with says you’re bisexual, I’d say go with her.

  5. pennie
    March 7, 2009 - 2:27 pm

    @Melanie:
    I did go with her…}’;>)
    Seriously, I think people connect with each other on so many different levels. There is the obvious–physical attraction, but I’m thinking that if there is nothing more (I’m the last on the planet to belittle lustful magnetism), then the relationship doesn’t last, save for long-term bootie calls…and how many of those THAT long?
    While not unique, I think the friendship Martha and I share is not all that common. It has transcended all sorts of entanglements and obstacles that might do other, less connected people. SO we must be connected on all sorts of levels. Bottom line–I treasure this woman! At the risk of heresy and losing my lifetime membership in the “Sisterhood of the Moist Labia”–it’s better than sex

  6. Miss Lasko-Gross
    March 7, 2009 - 2:43 pm

    well written. much enjoyed

  7. Gregg
    March 8, 2009 - 8:34 am

    Fascinating, insightful column ladies. Pennie, I hope you find a publisher as I think your book would be something truly special.

  8. pennie
    March 8, 2009 - 9:34 am

    Gregg, Miss Lasko-Gross:Melanie and RIck Thanks so much for all your kind words. Greatly appreciated. Thanks to MOTU for giving Martha–and all of the other authors on the site–the freedom to create. Sites like MDW that don’t confine or limit themselves to any one stance or perspectives provides the reason I coming back for more…well, that and Martha…}’;>)

    I know trans and intersexed people are not exactly a common topic for most people outside “the community.” If we are it is often as a punchline.

    We are a minority, although not as much as one might think. And like most minorities, the greater exposure the public has to us, the less fear and greater understanding. Thus, this interview and my book.

    Trans and intersex people are, for the most part, everyday people (props to S. Stone). We don’t represent a threat to anyone but ourselves.
    We range from idiots to great hearts–just like the rest of the race. We come in all colors, sizes, and harbor the gamut of political perspectives.

    The thing some seem to react to is our very existence. If we alter our bodies to correct a biological alteration due to genetic or chemical disruption in-utero, that seems to upset many, who think it is either hysterically funny, a perversion of nature, or against God’s intentions.

    Then there is the reaction of some who feel personally offended–as if trans or intersexed people want to somehow change their own lives. Many just react to those three letters in “transexual” and “intersex.” They fail to understand that we are dealing with a basic issue of gender, NOT sex. They are completely different aspects of human existence. Trans and intersexed people run the gamut of possible human relationships–hetro, gay, lesbian, bi, asexual, multisexual–just like the rest of the race.

    The bottom line: the struggle for acceptance.
    peace and light,
    pennie

  9. Russ Rogers
    March 10, 2009 - 9:22 am

    Another great column, Martha and pennie! Martha, I’m a fan. And pennie, we’ve chatted back and forth in the comments of Martha’s column several times. Once again you both have brought me a little more insight on the world. That’s a gift, especially for such a short column! Thanks. Good luck with the book, pennie. Hope to see it on Amazon sometime soon.

  10. pennie
    March 10, 2009 - 9:45 am

    Thanks Russ.
    Anything (well, almost anything…) I can do to educate a confused and sometimes fearful public about our place in the oft-chaotic world of Queer Nation and the alphabet soup (soup rears up again) tangle of LGBTQQA, as well as America is a positive. There are very few issues or aspects I haven’t been asked or dealt with. It’s one of my main purposes in life. There’s a big learning curve and I try to handle it with humor and grace.
    And Martha…well ya’ll know how I feel.
    peace,
    pennie

  11. Rachel
    March 11, 2009 - 7:54 am

    Great column, ladies. Beautifully written. Martha, I loved the opening. It was hilarious but expressed the all-about-me that so many people have when they find out a loved one is trans.
    I didn’t see that House episode. Now I’m glad. They had a previous show about an intersexual model that I found fairly vile. Recently I switched from ordinary cable to digital, partly because the extra channels included the BBC and I thought, great, Dr. Who and other cool things. the second night the lineup included “Transvestite Wives” and “Teen Transsexual” with “My small breasts and I” sandwiched between them. Yuch. I’m glad I had something else to do. the shows might have been worthwhile –for example, transvestite Wives might have referred to some non-European tradition, rather than a game show–but the titles sounded so exploitative.
    Pennie, I was interested in the way you bring intersex and transsex together. Do you see them as basically the same, variations on a theme?

  12. pennie
    March 11, 2009 - 8:43 am

    @ Rachel,

    “…“Transvestite Wives” and “Teen Transsexual” with “My small breasts and I” sandwiched between them. Yuch. I’m glad I had something else to do. the shows might have been worthwhile –for example, transvestite Wives might have referred to some non-European tradition, rather than a game show–but the titles sounded so exploitative.”

    I believe also saw the “Transvestite Wives” show. While some of this might be attributed to a dry British sense of humor, you might know that, particularly with Trans and Intersexed subjects,an immediate way to grab audience share is through sensational, exploitative titles like those above.

    In the “TW” show, (if it was the same one) one thing that hit me was the general level of acceptance by the wives in the marriages they portrayed. Shows like this further understanding.

    What I have yet to see is a show that really lays it all out–explains the myriad and significant differences between transvestites (cross-dressers), drag queens and kings, transsexuals, the intersexed, etc. Goes into depth to explore the completely divergent issues of gender and sex. Maybe they should hire me!

    “Pennie, I was interested in the way you bring intersex and transsex together. Do you see them as basically the same, variations on a theme? ”

    This is such an interesting–and controversial–area that has to do with perspective along with the numerous scientific discoveries that are announced on a near-monthly basis these days. Unlike the past, many different researchers throughout the world are delving into genetic contructions, hormonal effects in utero and post-partum, as well as the impact of chemical and environmental pollution on human evolution. Personally, I find this research fascination and avidly follow each announcement.

    These discoveries have altered our understanding of the interrelationship between a wide variety of transsexual and intersexed conditions. In my book I cover these in great depth. To keep bandwidth down to a dull roar here, suffice to say, like many scientific researchers, I have come to believe that there is a close and intrinsic relationship between certain transsexual and intersexed conditions. Some would even advocate that ALL people have a degree of intersexuality inherent, with a minority displaying a stronger presence than the general population. That minority are currently thrown under the umbrella labeled “transgender;” a means of segregating those who want a definition called “normal” and one that fits everything else.

    “Normal” in this case means heterosexual with appearance, dress, behavior and mannerisms that are deemed appropriate within those boundaries and does not include transsexual, intersexed, lesbian, gay, or Queer in any sense. While the boundaries are loosening, for some of us it would be one big party the day the concept of “normal” disappears.

    I apologize for the length here but there is just so much meat to this stew…Hope I covered it for you but if not, please let me know.
    peace,
    pennie

  13. Kynn
    March 11, 2009 - 6:10 pm

    Yay, a great interview, Martha! Pennie, you sound awesome. You go, girl!

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