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Bill Cosby Takes The Prize, by Mike Gold – Brainiac On Banjo #141

October 26, 2009 Mike Gold 1 Comment

After being asked repeatedly over the past twelve years, Bill Cosby has finally agreed to accept the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor. The presentation, to be made tonight, will air next week.

I am not here to dump on Mr. Cosby. He’s a great comedian, and I am not opposed to the many of opinions he expresses. I’m even in agreement with some. Of course there’s a “but” here.

Cosby turned down the award because he didn’t like the language used by some of the entertainers honored and presented at the Twain Award over the years, starting with their first honoree, Richard Pryor. “I told them flat out no because I will not be used, nor will Mark Twain be used, in that way,” Bill told The Associated Press. Subsequent recipients include Whoopi Goldberg and George Carlin, also known for such language. Cosby has often expressed public distain for his fellow comedians who resort to such language.

That’s his right. It’s also his right to use his celebrity to express those views. For me, there’s a big disconnect with the issue. These offensive words have no reason. A bunch of old coots decided which words are offensive without ever having to explain why. It’s okay to use their approved euphemisms that everybody over the age of four knows – even little Bobby on his way to his day care school knows that “frak” and “frig” are acceptable versions of the worst of those bad words, the one that denotes the beast with two backs. It’s not the act or the action that’s offensive to these people, it’s this word and not those other ones that mean the same thing.

There’s a word for that, too. It’s called hypocrisy. Bill Cosby didn’t invent it, he’s just the current standard bearer for the movement. He used to be a regular at the original Playboy Mansion in Chicago, surrounded by slightly dressed and undressed women who were in possession of, as Michael Palin called it, “huge tracks of land.” His hero, Groucho Marx, was hardly a nun. Groucho was even censored: in the song “Hooray For Captain Spaulding” during the opening sequences of Animal House, Spaulding responded to Mrs. Rittenhouse’s line “You are the only white man to cover every acre” with the rejoinder “I think I’ll try and make her.” When the movie version of the Broadway musical was made, this latter line was cut. Hooray, hooray, hooray.

These horrible words have lost their shock value long ago – Cosby came up through the ranks in the post-Lenny Bruce era at the same time as Carlin and Pryor. They are now nothing more than word choices, used for a particular type of emphasis and, yes, as a means to tell the prudes to fuck off.

Offensiveness is in the mind of the beholder. Back in 1962, Cosby had a comedy routine about Noah and the flood. A lot of good, solid religious folks found this offensive. They could not tolerate the mixing of comedy with their faith: the very approach seemed to be belittling. I was not allowed to play it on commercial radio in the early 1970s. Such a reaction to basically benign material endures, as we had seen in 1979 when Monty Python’s Life of Brian was released, and in 1999 when Kevin Smith’s Dogma came out. Even Bill Maher’s Religulous, released last year, was an even-handed documentary about the role of religion in our society; it was slammed by the Faithful because Maher was an avowed atheist, which, by the way, is his right.

Whether you agree with him or not, I think it is fair to say that Cosby has spoken courageously about family values in the black communities and his idea of the need for responsibility. A lot of people were offended by those speeches. Cosby loathed the outcry that forced those public schools to ban President Obama’s speech, which expressed the socialist values of staying in school and studying hard. But there were a lot of people who were deeply offended by Obama’s action.

Well, Bill’s finally accepting the Mark Twain award. I’m glad. He deserves it.

Mike Gold performs the weekly two-hour Weird Sounds Inside The Gold Mind ass-kicking bizarro music and blather show starts up Sundays at 7:00 PM Eastern on www.getthepointradio.com , replayed the following Thursdays at 10:00 PM Eastern. Likewise, his Weird Scenes Inside The Gold Mind rants pop up every on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday exclusively at \www.getthepointradio.com . The regular Weird Scenes Inside The Gold Mind rants continue every Monday and Friday on The Point podcasts, available right here at \www.michaeldavisworld.com , as well as at www.comicmix.comwww.getthepointradio.comwww.zzcomics.com, and www.ravenwolfstudios.com. You can subscribe to The Point podcasts at iTunes by searching under “The Point Radio.”

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  1. Jeremiah Avery
    October 26, 2009 - 6:19 am

    Bill Cosby’s routine about Noah is one of my favorites of his. Some people are just wound too tight when it comes to being outraged over that and over “Life of Brian”.

    Sure, Carlin used what some would consider profanity but his routine “7 Dirty Words” is both funny and great commentary on the language. He talked about how we have more ways to describe these words than there are swears.

    Which is worse, telling someone to go screw themselves or someone saying I’ll burn in Hell because I don’t believe what they do?

  2. Elayne Riggs
    October 26, 2009 - 7:17 am

    Oh no, spelling flame alert! 🙂

    “Tracts” of land, and “Animal Crackers” not “Animal House” (I think it would have been far less amusing to hear John Belushi say “I think I’ll try and make her”).

  3. Vinnie Bartilucci
    October 26, 2009 - 8:13 am

    “Groucho was even censored”

    In addition to the “Try and Make ‘er” line, the line “When he camps here / won’t have any tramps here” was originally “When he comes here / Won’t have any bums here” which was changed to avoid offending the British, where the term refers to the sit-upon.

    Cosby has dabbled in “filth flarn flarn filth” once or twice in his career as well. His “filth show” on one of his early live albums used the occasional “God Damn” (pretty racy for the time) and in the recent “Himself” he has a joke where it’s explained tha cocaine enhaves one’s personality, he replies” Yes, but what if you’re an asshole?”

    Bill Cosby is another example of an entertainer who has started taking himself too seriously. I think it was when he got his doctorate that did it. His famous “Pound cake” speech has gotten him derided all over the place, regardless of the fact that most of the things he’s saying were right.

    I’m all for cautious use of the vernacular so as to avoid upsetting people. But Bill is taking it just a hair too far, IMHO. There’s always comics who talk about disdain for working Blue, but they’ve got a version of The Aristocrats that’ll peel paint.

  4. Marc Alan Fishman
    October 26, 2009 - 8:51 am

    I’ve done stand-up a handful of times now, and I’ve done plenty of studying of the craft. Cosby is a a great story teller. A great observer. And much like other “family friendly” comics like Jeff Foxworthy… he works clean. It’s always bothered me personally that some comics say ‘So and So works clean…. Screw him! He’s making it look easy!”… Working blue or working clean as you say Mike, is a choice. It’s also an art form. When David Cross (a personal favorite) of mine uses offensive language, either to highlight his feelings (“The Simple Life: you know, the show that glorifies two rich giggling ****s (and it’s not the f- or s- word…), or if he’s simply being casual in dropping an f- bomb now and again… it’s all for the sake of the delivery.

    Bill Cosby has been in his later years, very outspoken in his views. I recall his anger at rap music in the late 90’s celebrating faux-wealth, and a lifestyle unattainable to the black community “which is found upon entering a lifestyle including profanity, drugs, and prostitution.”. As you’ve noted, Bill has every right to speak on his views. I think as one of the men who raised the bar in American Television (before the show started adding nuisance characters) by showing an upper middle class Black family… He should be celebrated.

  5. Vinnie Bartilucci
    October 26, 2009 - 9:49 am

    Yes he should be celebrated.

    Instead he started getting criticized for showing “unrealistic” black families. Cause as you know, there are no successful black women lawyers or black OB/GYNs, and to portray them on television gives blacks the mistaken impression that these goals can be achieved.

    That, and people kept asking when Fat Albert was gonna show up.

  6. Marc Alan Fishman
    October 26, 2009 - 10:44 am

    I really thought the Cosby Show, in it’s heyday, was just amazing sit-com-goodness. It contained an amazing amount of black pride in it (the episode where the family is all at odds with one-another, and enter the living room as Rudy watches footage of “I Have A Dream.” They let the speech play out, and end the show on Dr. King’s words. It was one of the few times growing up, where a general “funny” show actually took a step back to be uplifting too. And yes, The Huxtables were well off. But did it show “the unattainable”? No. It showed the potential. Cliff’s speech on “I’d rather have you (Theo) get a Hard C then a soft B.” Proved this point to me. Cliff wanted his kids to have success in life, on their own.

    Theo was the original center of the show, when it was being developed (largely due, I assume, to Cosby’s real life son being a similar age?). And through the course of the show, Theo had to learn to be self-sufficient. By the end of the show, he’d graduated from NYU (I think) and was helping out as a social worker (to a point) in the community.

    Did people have the same problem with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air?

  7. Rick Oliver
    October 26, 2009 - 11:03 am

    Saw Cosby’s stand-up act at the old Arie Crown theater in Chicago back in I think 63 (if my memory is correct, it was my 12th birthday present). Always loved the Noah bit (“Riiight – what’s a cubit?”), but the chicken heart and the jello leaves me gasping for air to this day. Also, “My brother and I grew up thinking our names were Jesus Christ and God damn it.”

  8. Vinnie Bartilucci
    October 26, 2009 - 1:06 pm

    “Did people have the same problem with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air?”

    No, because Will Smith was acting more like a “real” black person on that show, and was usually showing that he was far smarter than the rich influential wannabes that he lived with, using them as objects or derision, which showed the importance of keeping it real.

    This is exemplified in the episode where he and Alfonso Ribeiro are pulled over for DWB, teaching the very important lesson that no matter how rich you are, no matter how far you’ve come, to the police you’re just another…well, you know.

    These are far more important lessons than the idea that with a little determination (and admittedly a lot of luck and connections) you can achieve great things in this country.

  9. pennie
    October 26, 2009 - 5:26 pm

    Many of us long in dentals here know that Lenny made news at Town Hall and other venues to an above-ground (i.e. white) market years after other “dirty-mouthed” comedians enjoyed a more limited success in smaller venues and clubs. So what if Cosby made us laugh in a different style…Can’t one get transported listening to Bessie AND Billie, both? Never heard that Billie dissed Bessie. Might have missed it, but…

  10. mike weber
    October 26, 2009 - 7:15 pm

    I remember an article many years ago that quoted several of the *great* comedians – i recall Hope for sure, and i think George Burns and Jack Benny – as listing Lenny in the top two or three comics *ever*.

    And i find the concept of rejecting an award named after foul-mouthed Sam Clemens because it’s been given to people who talk dirty. Clemens learnt to cuss on riverboats, and he never lost the habit. He was apparently one of those who make profanity, blasphemy and invective an art form; one too often under-appreciated in the English-speaking world.

    There’s the story about his wife carefully memorising every expletive and phrase he uttered for a week or more, then unexpectedly spouting them at him across the breakfast table one morning.

    As the story goes, he looked up from his newspaper, listened carefully, puffed meditatively on his cigar a couple times, and said “My dear, you have got the words down, but you have not yet mastered the melody.”

  11. mike weber
    October 26, 2009 - 7:16 pm

    Ummm – “I find the idea … funny.”

  12. Mark Wheatley
    October 27, 2009 - 6:04 am

    But here is the important part that you got wrong, Mike – ANIMAL CRACKERS – not – ANIMAL HOUSE. I mean, really! Although I would have loved to have seen ANIMAL HOUSE with Groucho!

  13. Mike Gold
    October 27, 2009 - 6:37 am

    Wow. Groucho as Dean Wormer! Wonderful! And the song would have been great!

    Come to think of it, Groucho came pretty close to that role, kinda, sorta, in Horse Feathers. And the song was “Whatever It Is, I’m Against It!”

    You know who would have known that immediately? Bill Cosby.

  14. Linda Gold
    October 27, 2009 - 6:39 am

    I read the original text of Mike’s article and believe me if it had read Animal House instead of Animal Crackers, not only would I have pointed it out, I would still be razzing him. Somehow, I have no idea how, it must have gotten changed between writing and posting. Not a mistake that the Marx Bros.obsessives in this house would make.

  15. Steven Atkins
    October 27, 2009 - 11:14 am

    I enjoy many different comedians, Cosby being one of them.

    I like the different styles and the different senses of humor. One is not BETTER than another, just different in style and viewpoints.

    Richard Pryor cracks me up just as much as Brother Dave Gardner.

    There’s plenty of room in my sense of humor for a lot of different people. So, I have never been able to share in anyone’s enthusiasm in being negative about someone’s creative output other than to simply state that I don’t care for it.

    I don’t think Sarah Silverman is funny. Her comedy doesn’t appeal to me, but that doesn’t mean that she should give up what she does on the basis of my opinion.

    Cosby expesses his opinion and everyone thinks that he is trying to control something.

    I hate to break this to people, but being famous doesn’t automatically mean that a lot of people take to heart what you think and what you say.

    Example: How many people ACTUALLY pay any serious, life-altering attention to Paris Hilton? Who lives their lives according to what she thinks is “hot?”

    When you come right down to it, Bill Cosby is an actor/comedian who does not share the overall point of view that the modern African-American community has of itself and it’s choices in life.

    Some wish to characterize him as being some kind of sell-out (which is always a goofy concept) or they want to use him as some kind of elder statesman for black people.

    The extremes, as usual, push and pull things too far away from the truth at the heart of the matter.

  16. MOTU
    October 27, 2009 - 10:47 pm

    It amazes me that people like Bill Cosby, (who I respect and would kill to work with) have a holier than thou attitude towards ‘family values.’

    I did not see Mr. Cosby ( who I would kill members of my family to work with) talking all that smack when it came out that he fathered a child and not with his wife.

    I hope to have half of a half of a career Mr.Cosby has had (who I would give my first born and yours also to work with) but as much as I respect (and would fire bomb a nursing home to work with) him I still think he should temper his righteous point of view with real world perspective.

  17. Steven Atkins
    October 28, 2009 - 12:22 am

    MOTU – The same can be said of many people.

    Jesse Jackson suddenly became uncharacteristically quiet when his own infidelities became public knowledge.

    Then again…

    He makes a comment about how he would like to stab Obama in the nuts…

    in a TV studio…

    on the air…

    later claim that he didn’t know the mic was on…

    after working with the media for decades, enough time to know that the mic is ALWAYS on…

    Not a bright guy.

    Al Sharpton was calling for all kinds of white blood during the supposed Duke University rape case. He opened his mouth BIG and WIDE.

    Then the fact that the DA’s office pushed things to get convictions rather than get the facts and it was revealed that the so-called victim was a lying little ho out to get what she thought would be an easy payday.

    Sharpton was oddly silent. No apologies. No public attempts to even spin doctor his involvement, much less any attempts to make amends for judging the students and helping to try them in the public mind.

    Jackson and Sharpton are considered to be “official” spokesmen for the African-American community by many media outlets. Others consider them to be self-appointed big-mouthes who just follow headlines and try to hog the spotlight.

    It all depends on how you want to look at things, isn’t it?

    Everyone has made mistakes that can be held up for all to see and can be used to make the argument that so-and-so is full of crap and cannot/should not be listened to.

    This is made abundantly clear when someone feels strongly about something enough to say it out loud and in front of people.

    The right to express one’s point of view gets lost in the indignant, reflexive action of pointing fingers at one another.

    Think of it this way:

    You’ve often described what a loser your stepfather was.

    Your mother married him, did she not?

    Did the fact that your mother made what is so often presented as such an obviously terrible life decision prevent you from respecting her point of view and listening to her when she had wisdom to impart to you?

    As always, it’s just a thought.

  18. Vinnie Bartilucci
    October 28, 2009 - 12:47 pm

    MOTU: Ah, but it’s important to note that while he was having a child with a woman to whom he was not married, he was not using foul language.

  19. Vinnie Bartilucci
    October 28, 2009 - 1:02 pm

    “Wow. Groucho as Dean Wormer! Wonderful! And the song would have been great!”

    Hooray for Vernon Wormer
    The Dean of Faber College
    The man we all acknowledge
    Hooray hooray hooray

    With fizzies in the swim meet
    and chaos across the town
    it’s time to foot my foot down
    that foot, of course, is me

    Those Deltas I’ll get them yet
    I know just how to do it
    Probation double secret
    That power’s granted me

    Dead horses in the lobby
    My wife is cheating on me
    and what’s a “toga party”?
    hooray hooray hooray

    A student council trial
    Will stop their actions vile
    Least for a little while
    Hey Hey!

    Hooray for Vernon Wormer
    The Dean of Faber College
    The big parade they’ll not invade
    and that is why we say
    hooray hooray hooray

    “I hate those guys…”

  20. Mike Gold
    October 29, 2009 - 8:30 am

    Steven:

    Actually, Jesse is an extremely intelligent man. He simply has an extremely short attention span. The immortal Mike Royko once dubbed him “Jesse Jetstream,” and it stuck — in Chicago — until Royko died and Jesse’s kid entered politics.

    Vinnie:

    Sigh.

  21. Steven Atkins
    October 29, 2009 - 11:21 am

    Vinnie: That was great!

    Mike Gold: That may be the case, but I do not agree with your assessment.

    Shortness of attention span does not excuse any of his inappropriate actions.

    Is he so easily distracted that he failed to remember his duties as a husband, father, preacher, and leader?

    Is he so easily distracted that he can so completely forget decades of experience in public speaking, television and printed media interviews, that he forgets that people are always paying attention…even if their only reason to pay attention is to catch you saying something “out of context?”

    See? I can nitpick and question someone’s credibility based on their mistakes, too.

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