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March 26, 2010 Martha Thomases 15 Comments

In the past week, in the debates both immediately before and after the passage of the health care reform bill, opponents frequently described the bill’s supporters as people who “rammed the bill down the throat” of the American people.  The bill was allegedly negotiated in secret (although it seems to me I’ve seen it discussed endlessly for the last year, each new conversation examined more closely than an MRI).  People who defended Cheney’s secret meetings on energy policy suddenly wanted full disclosure.

Senators, members of Congress, protesters – they all used the same phrase.  I’m sure it tested well in focus groups.  I’m sure the people who are meant to receive this particular message are terrified that anything could be “rammed down” their throats.

All it told me was that, if that’s the way they think (and, probably, act), I don’t want to have sex with any of them.

I’ve written a lot over the past year or so about our stupid discourse.  This is hardly a unique situation.  However, since I’m visiting my Dad in Florida this week (he’s fine, thanks), I am waxing nostalgic for a time in my life when people could disagree on more high-falutin’ levels.

When I was a girl, there were a range of opinions within each of the two major political parties.  There were liberal, moderate and conservative Democrats and – believe it or not – liberal, moderate and conservative Republicans.  My own mother voted for Richard Nixon in 1960, when my father voted for JFK.

Some of this was the result of the civil rights movement.  Republicans, the Party of Lincoln, were not popular in the South.  That’s why, today, you have Democrat Robert Byrd, who was exceedingly pro-segregation early in his career.

More than that, it was about a different perspective on how to use government to solve problems, and at what level.  Republicans tended to favor local and state-level solutions.  Democrats tended to favor using the national government.

Most important, they tended to agree about what problems needed to be solved.  Both parties championed peace and prosperity.  They had different strategies about how to achieve these goals, but not different goals.  I mean, the Equal Rights Amendment was a Republican proposal.  How weird is that?

I don’t want to suggest that there weren’t emotionally charged arguments.  My colleague, Mr. Gold, and I were both in the streets (different streets), demonstrating against the status quo.  We disagreed profoundly and viscerally with what our government was doing and how it was doing it.

At the same time, our representatives in government, those that agreed with us, never called an opponent a “baby-killer on the floor of the House (and this was when actual babies were being killed).  Those who disagreed with us might have accused us of giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy, but they didn’t suggest that our representatives were the actual enemy.  At least not to our faces.

Look, I’m in favor of letting it all hang out, as we used to say.  As a member of the lunatic fringe, I appreciate extreme opinions, especially when they are expressed with wit and excellent graphics (thank you, ACT-UP).  That’s not what’s going on today.  We are so intent on vilifying our enemies that we’ve lost track of the argument.

On my flight to West Palm, I sat next to a very nice man who was watching the Fox News Network.  Because we were delayed (first by weather conditions, then by a man who refused to fasten his seatbelt and then threatened to kill the flight attendant, so he had to be removed by security), we started to talk.  I avoided politics as much as I could, but, when it arose, we had a very cordial conversation.  He talked about how he was raised to believe in freedom and independence, and I talked about how I was raised to be wary of those who would scapegoat outside groups (the German-American Bund used to goose-step through my mother’s neighborhood).  We agreed that Joe Lieberman was unforgivable for stopping the extension of Medicare to people over 55. We agreed that health care reform was a work in progress.  He used the word “repeal” and I used the term “more,” but we found a way to talk to each other without questioning each other’s moral centers.

Back in that youth for which I am so nostalgic, I persuaded a lot of George Wallace supporters to sign petitions to put George McGovern on the primary ballot.  I was able to use their mistrust of the status quo to talk about other strategies to achieve their goals.  We each wanted peace and prosperity.  And we wanted to find ways to achieve it together.

Media Goddess Martha Thomases wishes Boca Raton had better wi-fi.

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  1. MOTU
    March 26, 2010 - 11:05 pm

    The guy you met on the plane acted exactly like the kind of person I like talking to, somebody who has an opposing opinion but will talk about it like a grown up. The GOP does not want grown-ups they want their base to have the mental ability of a scared child.

    If you scream at a child often enough they lose the ability to reason they just want you to stop yelling. They don’t learn anything, fear prevents that. It’s the ‘Mommy please make it stop’ approach.

    Regarding Joe Lieberman I REALLY believe there is a special place in HELL for him. There’s certainly no place for him where people have worked to do good in the world. it SICKENS me to think I voted for that motherfucker when he ran for VP. He has turned his back on EVERYTHING he stood for when he ran.

    Fuck him, fuck his heirs, fuck hie friends and as SOON as I finish my time machine…

  2. MOTU
    March 26, 2010 - 11:13 pm

    Now I’m mad…IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    HEALTH CARE!!! It’s a bill that will HELP people!

    WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE GOP?

    IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    Give us your poor, your…IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    four score and seven years ago…IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    We the people…IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    Give me liberty or give me…IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

    What would Jesus say?

    “IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!”

  3. Jesus
    March 26, 2010 - 11:16 pm

    IT’S FUCKING HEALTH CARE!!!

  4. MOTU
    March 26, 2010 - 11:16 pm

    SEE???

  5. Eddie
    March 27, 2010 - 6:49 am

    I had one of those warm and cozy airplane seatmate conversations once with someone different from me. A lovely Christian — totally Christian — woman. The rosy blush dissipated quickly, though, when she told me that there MUST be a special place in the afterlife for “your people” — the Jews — because it wasn’t our fault we were born before Jesus. I mean, just how old did she think I was?

  6. Martha Thomases
    March 27, 2010 - 6:55 am

    Eddie, you are younger than springtime.

  7. Nan
    March 27, 2010 - 8:23 am

    Hey – good column…say hi to Uncle Irwin for me.

  8. Reg
    March 27, 2010 - 8:31 am

    Eddie, I’m curious to know if this ‘totally’ Christian woman ever reflected on the fact that Jesus totally had Jewish blood running thru His earthly veins.

    @ Martha – Converting hardcore segs to sign the McGovern petitions?? Truly your powers of persuasion are…(in the tonals of James Earl Jones)… most impressive.

    @ mOTu – I’ve got your time machine…

  9. Jonathan (the other one)
    March 27, 2010 - 8:39 am

    Yeah, I had your time machine for a few days next August, but Reg said he’s really going to need it last year, so…

  10. pennie
    March 27, 2010 - 2:48 pm

    @ Martha: “All it told me was that, if that’s the way they think (and, probably, act), I don’t want to have sex with any of them.

    Who would? Afterwords, you’d need a large dose of heath care!

  11. Reg
    March 27, 2010 - 2:55 pm

    Martha said – “Look, I’m in favor of letting it all hang out, as we used to say. As a member of the lunatic fringe, I appreciate extreme opinions, especially when they are expressed with wit and excellent graphics..”

    Then the following should be right down your alley, sister. Especially Erykah’s commentary at the end. Click on the ankh.

    http://www.erykahbadu.com/

    May we grow up as a species to what we were created to be.

  12. Vinnie Bartilucci
    March 28, 2010 - 12:24 pm

    “I’m curious to know if this ‘totally’ Christian woman ever reflected on the fact that Jesus totally had Jewish blood running thru His earthly veins.”

    I always remember Archie Bunker talking at his friend “Stretch” Cunningham’s funeral, having just learned Stretch was Jewish:

    “I got nothing against you Jews, heck, even our own guy, Jesus was a Jew, until his father told him, ‘Well, no more of that’.”

    As you might have noticed, I LOVE a good debate about politics and the like, and cannot stand people who will not at least discuss opposing views. Too often in political circles right now, “compromise” means “half-lose”, so none is ever done.

    I’ve had really great conversation with a fundamental Christian co-worker on the place of the wife in a relationship. “The wife is meant to be a help-meet to the husband,” he maintained. I countered, “But what if, say she had more marketable skills then you did; couldn’t she serve the home better by getting a job?” He agreed, and the conversation continued. Contrariwise, another fundie co-worker was SO fervent in his beliefs that I knew that dicsussion was going to be impossible since he would not defend his beliefs, just brack-wallingly maintain their correctness. So I never talked politics or religion with him.

    If you can’t defend or discuss your beliefs rationally without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling, odds are your grasp of your side of the argument is weak on facts. And in the case of religion, that’s probably more true, as faith is rather dependint on a lasck of facts and evidence, or what’s a heaven for?

  13. Mike Gold
    March 28, 2010 - 1:26 pm

    “If you can’t defend or discuss your beliefs rationally without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling, odds are your grasp of your side of the argument is weak on facts. ”

    Sure, but it’s SO much fun!

  14. Alan Coil
    March 28, 2010 - 5:21 pm

    “If you can’t defend or discuss your beliefs rationally without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling, odds are your grasp of your side of the argument is weak on facts. ”

    I used to believe that, but discussing anything with today’s Republican ideologues has shown me that ‘an eye for an eye’ is the only language they understand.

    And I am truly sorry it has gotten to this point, but I am fed up with their lying, and more than fed up with their bullying tactics.

  15. Reg
    March 29, 2010 - 8:15 am

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