Stone-Cold Hatred In Liberal Heaven, by Mike Gold – Brainiac On Banjo #183
August 16, 2010 Mike Gold 0 Comments
President Barack Obama had a profound moment last weekend, one that could go down in a sequel to John Kennedy’s Profiles In Courage. Instead of being his usual wishy-washy, overly conciliatory self, Obama came out in favor of New York’s Ground Zero mosque. And then the shit hit the fan.
As I’ve often stated, the concept of Freedom of Religion is the great American myth. Therefore, I was encouraged by Obama’s definitive statement: “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are.” And the lunatic bigots went predictably ballistic.
New York has been branded as the capitol city of American liberalism. But according to a Quinnipiac University, 52% of the locals oppose the mosque, and only 31% are in favor. The remaining 17% are morons. “New York enjoys a reputation as one of the most tolerant places in America, but New Yorkers are opposed to a proposal to build a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero,” Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Director Maurice Carroll stated.
Let’s contrast this with the recent CNN/Opinion Research poll that found nearly 70% percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29% were in favor. Hey, New Yorkers! You’re well on the way to being one of those “fly-over” states you so chauvinistically deride.
New Yorkers act as though they own 9-11. To listen to the locals babble, the bomb planes didn’t leave from Boston, they didn’t carry people of all (and no established) faiths from all over the world, the World Trade Center only contained New Yorkers instead of people of all (and no established) faiths from all over the world, no bomb planes hit Washington DC, and no bomb plane crashed in Pennsylvania.
But let’s look at that Washington DC bombing. It happened at the Pentagon on the same day, 9-11 (note: “9-11” is a trademark of Rudolph William Louis Giuliani, All Rights Reserved, and a tip of the hat to Joe Biden for pointing that out). Since that day nine years ago where 184 were murdered, the Pentagon established a mosque inside the Pentagon. Not two blocks away, not foisted upon the populace by Marxist-Islamic terrorist American politicians, but in and by the Pentagon. Over 100 Moslems celebrated Ramadan there this past month.
Yes, friends, the Pentagon is more cosmopolitan than the city of New York.
But in keeping with the spirit of those who are opposed to the lower Manhattan mosque, I’ve got a proposal.
Let’s tear down all the Catholic churches that are within two blocks of children’s centers: day care, Head Start, orphanages, battered family facilities, and so on. After all, isn’t their very presence an assault on the sensitivities of the victims of priestly sex abuse?
What? You’re telling me that not all priests porked children? That only a few, admittedly a large number but a small percentage, were actually guilty of this hideous crime?
Yes. You’re completely right. And maybe you’re getting the point.
Media metaphysician and www.ComicMix.com editor-in-Chief Mike Gold performs the weekly two-hour Weird Sounds Inside The Gold Mind ass-kicking bizarro music and blather radio show on The Point, www.getthepointradio.com, every Sunday at 7:00 PM Eastern, replayed three times during the week (check the website above for times). Likewise, his Weird Scenes Inside The Gold Mind political and cultural rants pop up each and every day at the same venue.
Martha Thomases
August 16, 2010 - 4:41 am
Maybe 52 percent of New Yorkers oppose the Muslim community center, but more than 70 percent of Manhattanites (the borough where it will be built) support it. We don’t call the rest of those guys bridge and tunnel for nothing.
John Ostrander
August 16, 2010 - 9:17 am
Good column, Mike. As Jon Stewart pointed out on a recent DAILY SHOW, it’s not just the proximity to the WTC site (And there IS a mosque already FOUR blocks away), its a mosque built ANYWHERE. TN, WI, CA — doesn’t matter. It’s all part of the knee-jerk response people have to 9-11. Don’t think — just feel, react, and yell. And the sadder thing is — it works. If this mosque gets built (and it should, IMO), in three months no one will care any more. I’m afraid its all Part of the Great American Decline.
Vinnie Bartilucci
August 16, 2010 - 9:20 am
After his advisors got ahold of him, the President amended his comments slightly, noting that while he stands behind his statement that the center must be built from a legal point of view, he is not commenting on the WISDOM of building it there. In other words, he’s covering his ass by saying they CAN build it there, but he ain’t saying they SHOULD. So his wishy-washy cred is intact.
The racism and prejudice in this whole Islam issue is pitiful and sad. Many of those who are choosing to allow the center to be built, or coming out against Everybody Draw Mohammed Day in the name of “tolerance” are lying, even to themselves. Because for all of their desire to be tolerant, in the back of their minds, they’re thinking “Besides, they might blow us up if we don’t”. Comedy Central wasn’t striking a blow for religious freedom when they cut those episodes of South Park, they were covering their ass.
Advice Goddess Amy Alkon has a large number of pieces on her website about Islam, and how dangerous it is. She’s a hilarious columnist, but her stand on this is almost bewildering for someone so intelligent and usually respective of others’ rights. I’ve gone to loggerheads with her on it a number of times, and as you can no doubt imagine, the replies to me in the comments (never from her – she’s not one to hurl invectives) tar me with all sorts of wonderful names.
The latest column is located here – I commented a bit down the way. An edited copy of the comments are below.
“The hijackers were explicitly motivated by a literal reading of their religion’s holy text and nothing else.”
What outrageous bullshit.
They did not all independently think up the idea to fly into buildings and only meet up at the last minute. They joined a group that poured poison in their ear, and helped the interpret the “literal” words in the Koran (that is, if they didn’t just make up their own and CLAIM it was from the Koran) and were guided and goaded into such a plan.
I keep saying it, and it keeps being true – if 100 percent of the people who read the Koran take up arms and start attacking America, THEN you’d have a case that it’s the book’s fault. It’s the same argument I make against people who claim that videogames (or television, or Dungeons and Dragons, or Elvis) cause kids to go out and do Bad Things. It’s not the thing, it’s the interpretation and choice of the person (assisted or no) that results in the bad action.
Yes, building a community outreach center near Ground Zero is provocative. Yes, it might cause a number of Americans to consider acts as violent as those acted upon us. But if a few of those people actually ENTERED the center, and asked some QUESTIONS…what a difference that might make.
I have two questions for the folks who are so virulently against this…
–What’s the address of the place, and exactly how close to GZ is it? I’ll lay odds very few people would know without looking it up, so no fair if you don’t know.
–How many Muslims do you actually know, or have you actually talked to about 9/11, their faith, or indeed anything other than how much change you’re owed? Again, My money’s on, if you know any, the mindset is that he/she is okay, it’s those other ones over there that we need to keep an eye on.
And if that argument doesn’t sound eerily familiar, you should read a bit more.
Vinnie Bartilucci
August 16, 2010 - 9:22 am
Sorry for the crappy link text, there.
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 9:55 am
yeah, I’m disappointed — but, sadly, not surprised — that Obama made that wishy-washy appendage to his comment about Freedom of Religion, but nobody’s buying it… at least, not here in the Muslims-Are-Murderers New York area. And, predictably, the Republicans are milking it for all its worth. Lots of “Saddam Obama is a traitor” stuff. So I think he caught his pants leg in his back-peddling, alienating only people like me who think we need a president with the courage of his convictions.
Every Muslim-American I know or have ever known is at least as American as your average Christian. Even those who are extremely religious, compared to your equally religious Christian-American. None want to see this nation trashed by any group, be they German anarchists, agents of the Mossad, Christian Identity members, Hamas, or overly stressed Vegans.
Anybody can take anybody else’s holy books and cut-and-paste to prove any point they like. Is there scary shit in the Koran? Yes. Is there scary shit in the King James bible? Yes. Is there substantial language advocating non-violence in King James? Yes. Is there substantial language advocating non-violence in the Koran? Yes. Same thing with the Haftorah. Even The Noble Eightfold Path can be interpreted as a weapon of divisiveness in the mind of the self-righteous.
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 10:14 am
Martha, can you source that 70% figure for me? Does it break down that figure by neighborhood? What’s the number for the Battery — those who live closest to the site? It would be interesting to see the opinions of those people, a great many people, who live on or near the landfill of the World Trade Center.
But, regrettably for Brooklynites who got massively screwed when New York City came into being back in 1898, New York City is not Manhattan and four other places, but one city. However, I do enjoy the fact that Manhattanites have their own unique subset of New York City chauvinism.
Rick Oliver
August 16, 2010 - 10:37 am
Just wait until Sharron Angle is president. Then we’ll get a spiffy new constitution that doesn’t have all the liberal, commie crap that isn’t in the bible.
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 12:18 pm
Sharron Angle’s a real piece of work. It’s as if somebody said “We need somebody just like Michele Bachmann, but, you know, maybe less Oxford Universityish.”
How can anybody vote for such a complete idiot is beyond me, until I look at the other Republicans who’ve been getting elected.
I’ll be damned if Lar Daly isn’t looking better and better these days! (Wiki’s got him, brief but accurate, leaving out the part where he was General Douglas MacArthur’s Illinois presidential campaign manager; MacArthur wasn’t actually RUNNING for president at the time — http://en.wikipedia.org)/wiki/Lawrence_Joseph_Sarsfield_Daly
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 12:19 pm
Oops. The close-parenthesis after “.org” above shouldn’t be there.
Martha Thomases
August 16, 2010 - 1:55 pm
Mike, I heard that 70 percent number on some television show over the weekend (probably the local news), but I can’t remember the source cited.
However, my mama always taught me that you can judge a society by the way it protects the civil rights of minorities. If our rights are endowed by our Creator, as our founding documents assert, they shouldn’t be subject to a vote.
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 2:06 pm
Hmmm. Well, maybe I should reconsider my position on Sharron Angle. At least we know where she’s coming from, which is right behind that bat out of hell.
According to Talking Points Memo: “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has now spoken out on the Muslim community center in New York — saying that while the organizers are free to construct the project, it should be moved somewhere else.”
Senator Reid, I gather you’ve forgotten the sanctions that had been placed on your religion during its brief history. The Mormons were driven out of New York State, then Ohio, then Missouri. Your founder was lynched in Illinois. You guys didn’t last long in Nebraska. Ultimately, you guys settled the Utah Territory, which included almost all of what is now Nevada, your home state.
The Mormons called this massive land grab the State of Deseret and Mormon leader Brigham Young (later of college football fame) was set up as its governor. Then your guys petitioned Congress for entry into the Union. Washington’s response was to send out a U.S. army invasion force. Eventually a deal was struck, and your homeboys got to stay in what is now Utah and Nevada, although that multiple wife thing sort of vaporized.
Maybe you thought your religious forefathers simply LIKED the vast stinking desert. Or maybe you’re just a slimy fucking hypocrite.
Given the experience of your own forefathers, YOU think YOU have the right to tell ANYBODY ELSE’S religion where they can and cannot establish a house of worship?
R. Maheras
August 16, 2010 - 3:07 pm
What Pentagon mosque? There ain’t no such animal.
There is an interfaith 9/11 memorial chapel in Room 1E438 (which I’ve actually been in, by the way).
Each week, the interfaith chapel hosts Muslim, Episcopal, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu and other services.
It’s not a mosque, and those who are presenting it as such are just plain wrong.
Mike Gold
August 16, 2010 - 3:33 pm
Semantics, Russ. It’s a mosque when Muslims are holding services there, it’s a church when Christians are holding services there, it’s a temple when Jews are holding services there, etc. Them Muslims are being treated better in the Pentagon than they are in Manhattan.
R. Maheras
August 16, 2010 - 4:02 pm
No, it’s not semantics. If an all-faiths memorial chapel was proposed at the current mosque site, only the craziest of crazies would object.
The location is perfectly legal, but totally insensitive, and no amount of “but it’s Constitutional” bluster is going to change that fact.
MOTU
August 16, 2010 - 4:09 pm
Mike Gold Wrote:
“Let’s tear down all the Catholic churches that are within two blocks of children’s centers: day care, Head Start, orphanages, battered family facilities, and so on. After all, isn’t their very presence an assault on the sensitivities of the victims of priestly sex abuse?’
I wish I had written that.
That for me is a first, I’ve never said that about any writer and I read a LOT.
Marc Fishman
August 16, 2010 - 4:30 pm
Woah, talk about coming to the party a little late. Good thoughts as always Mike. Sadly, the catholics don’t listen to common sense or reason. I mean last time I checked… they actually believe that a blessing can turn wine into blood. Which they then drink, thus making them vampires.
Personally, I wouldn’t care is 99% of the people in New York, in the Battery, Queens, or anywhere else for that matter didn’t “approve” of the mosque being built there, under the ideology that it’s “offensive to those who died in 9-11”. Because as they said in Men In Black… a person is smart… people are dumb.
Whether it actually happens here or not, this country is SUPPOSED to be founded on the ideal that all men are created equal, and should be able to worship how and where he chooses. A house of worship in this Starbucks-stripmall-cellphone-go-go-go world stands as one of the few places people can go to detach themselves from the BS… and find some inner peace and sanctuary. To deny people that right… is Unamerican, and Unsurprising.
ed zarger
August 16, 2010 - 10:42 pm
Sigh. And I was all set to not get involved in this discussion, since everyone was making sense – at least as much as I would.
The Catholic belief in the “real presence” of God in the forms of bread and wine can best be understood by keeping in mind that there was a Roman philosophical thinking underlying it. I do not intend to explain it here — but I do ask that you realize that there was a historical background which affects how we express our thoughts.(Much like Mike pointed out that the Mormons have a history which should have an influence on their outlooks.)
A historical curiosity. Marc’s comment about vampirism isn’t far from what many early Roman detractors said about the secretive early Christians — that they practiced cannibalism (and hence were scapegoats for Nero, etc.).
John Tebbel
August 17, 2010 - 7:03 am
New York is not one piece. Neither is any other polity.
There are people who live in Brooklyn who never, not hardly ever, but never visit “the city” by which they mean the borough of Manhattan.
We endured Duce Giuliani because he duped the Staten Islanders with talk of secession. The Village got the sex shops he threw out of Times Square because we never, ever voted for him down here, even though we’re also the city’s oldest Italian neighborhood.
And yes, the people who live in lower/west Manhattan are more liberal than all y’all. When Reagan invaded Granada, our Rep., the late, great Ted Weiss, introduced an article of impeachment. Yours didn’t, and yours was wrong.
Vinnie Bartilucci
August 17, 2010 - 7:19 am
I cannot fathom the inability of so many people to separate the concepts of “Muslim” and “terrorist”. If the same people heard someone making the same causal connection of, say, street crime and black people, they’d lose their minds. But somehow they see no issue with assuming that all Muslims are at the very least suspect, if not actually terrorists. They are not, and that the mindset exists makes us all look that much more savage.
R. Maheras
August 17, 2010 - 8:02 am
Vinnie wrote: “I cannot fathom the inability of so many people to separate the concepts of “Muslim” and “terrorist”.”
Let’s play substitution and see if you still feel the same way…
“I cannot fathom the inability of so many people to separate the concepts of ‘Tea Party member’ and ‘racist’.”
Mike Gold
August 17, 2010 - 8:13 am
Russ, I can do that. Not all Tea Baggers are racist. Not all Tea Baggers are anything. It’s not a unilateral movement. Their only thing in common is that they’re pissed — something they share with an incredible number of non-Tea Baggers.
Vinnie Bartilucci
August 17, 2010 - 8:39 am
“Let’s play substitution and see if you still feel the same way…
“I cannot fathom the inability of so many people to separate the concepts of ‘Tea Party member’ and ‘racist’.””
Yep. Same stupidity, from the other side.
Both an attempt to create a bugaboo or boojum to benefit a political party. Both invalid statements.
About the only difference is that the teabaggers are being labeled racist to invalidate them, make them less dangerous, and the Muslims are being labeled terrorists to make them MORE dangerous.
Both are being used to inspire fear, a fear that can only be calmed by putting party x into power.
Indeed, if you want to go down this road…
“A group of angry people who feel powerless and disaffected, whipped into a frenzy by a ruling tier using religious texts to justify their actions”
Which group am I talking about?
Mike Gold
August 17, 2010 - 9:02 am
Boojum? Awesome! Lewis Carroll taking his snark one step further. Good one, Vinnie!
R. Maheras
August 17, 2010 - 9:58 am
Vinnie, thanks for clarifying. Personally, I’m pissed at both parties, and I think a lot of red and blue partisan pundits are full of shit.
By the way, I’ve had Iranian in-laws since the 1970s, so I’m not someone on the outside looking in on this issue, and many other issues related to the Middle East.
Rick Oliver
August 17, 2010 - 8:35 pm
Personally, I don’t care where they choose to build their houses of worship (although, for the record, the proposed building is NOT a house of worship), because I don’t think religion is an infectious disease. I also don’t think young, impressionable minds should be subjected to any particular religion, but that’s just my opinion. Once your old enough to make intelligent decisions, then you have the right to make ones that have nothing to do with intelligence or objectivity.
I have no great love of Islam or Christianity or the teabaggers. They’re all entitled to their faith-based belief systems. What made this country great was the ability of people from vastly different cultures to make their voices heard and thereby make a difference. It may also, unfortunately, prove to be our undoing. Although the founders strived to protect us from our baser instincts, I fear that the median intelligence of the electorate is far below what they assumed or hoped it to be.
Mike Gold
August 17, 2010 - 8:46 pm
Actually, our founders had a very narrow idea of whom the electorate should be. They were pretty comfortable with white male Christian landowners, although some were kinda funky about who was and who was not a Christian.
As for our crop of tea baggers, the founding fathers were opposed to taxation without representation. They weren’t opposed to taxation per se. If you didn’t like how your representatives act on your behalf, their idea was — as they used to say in Brooklyn — throw the bums out.
Whitney
August 18, 2010 - 8:37 am
Appropriately, there have been so many comments about this posting that my response may get lost in the shuffle. Doesn’t matter. I simply have to add my voice to say that you have written something very important here, Mike, and the idea that Rudy has a copyright on ‘9-11’ — the only intention of which is to control potential revenue streams — is gut-wrencing.
Vinnie Bartilucci
August 18, 2010 - 11:47 am
Actually, to be fair, Rudy does not have a copyright on 9-11.
The Seven-Eleven corporation does – they challenged Rudy’s application, claiming that it would cause brand confusion.
Mike Gold
August 18, 2010 - 1:22 pm
That would be a trademark, Vinnie, not a copyright. Rudy can say it as much as he wants, as if he had anything else to say, but them Texans own the registered trademark and are the only ones who can use it in trade.
MOTU
August 18, 2010 - 9:19 pm
I’ve said this before.
Right before 9-11 happened New Yorkers wanted to pimp slap Rudy with a fire hose. He did more to divide the city than any Mayor in history. My New York residence was 5 blocks from the WTC. If I was in NYC at the time I would have had a clear view of the planes and the aftermath.
Grabbing a blow-horn and shouting whatever the fuck he was shouting did NOT make him America’s mayor. He just happened to be Mayor at the time the event happened. 9-11 MADE Rudy. All of the country and a lot of the world was in NY’s corner and whoever was its Mayor was going to get the ‘good guy nod.’ I however remember what a DICK he was before and since 9-11 and I’ve never been one to jump on anyone’s bandwagon. A DICK is a DICK. Is someone less of a DICK because something horrible happens to him?
No.
Dropping the Atomic Bomb is still a raging debate. Do I think we should have dropped it in retrospect?
HELL YEAH.
THEY started that shit and we finished it.
Japan committed some of the worst war crimes known to men before, during and after we got involved in WW2. So, should we second guess ourselves for nuking the shit out of 2 of their cities? Hell no.
Once a DICK always a DICK.
Jonathan Roth
October 5, 2010 - 6:59 pm
MOTU, not that I think anyone’s mind will change on certain issues; do me a favor. Read Barefoot Gen, and then tell me if you think that dropping the bombs on civilian targets was the best move.