Christmas Money, by Martha Thomases – Brillilant Disguise
December 3, 2011 Martha Thomases 19 Comments
Because there’s an election next year (and there was one last year, and even this year in a few places), everything has to be politicized. Everything has to be a contest, where one side wins and, therefore, one side loses. For the last several years, the most seasonal victim of this trend is Christmas.
For some people, Christmas is an economic opportunity, either to make a lot of money or to spend a lot of money. For others, it’s a chance to gather with family and friends, using love and companionship to warm the soul on a cold, dark night.
And, for some, it’s a religious occasion, to celebrate their faith and hope for redemption. Good for them. As long as they celebrate like Americans – privately, or at least with consideration for those who believe differently – I’m happy for them.
However, if one is going to insist on a religious celebration in a secular setting (which is what Christmas is, after all, once it leaves your home and your church), then one should at least be honest about what that religion celebrates. If one has manners, one might go the extra step and find common ground with those who have other beliefs. For example, I’m not a Christian, but, as someone raised a Jew, I share the obligation to be charitable (tzedakah). This is something that’s also important to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, and quite a few atheists.
Using our cash and our energies to help those less fortunate is something we can do as a community, as we see here. It’s a much better than using those same forces to divide us by demonizing others, as seen here.
Maybe I read a different New Testament, but I don’t think those people are truly Christian. And, if I were a Christian, I’d be making a lot of noise telling them so. Even the so-called Old Testament, generally considered to be less forgiving, spends remarkably little time telling people who to have sex with compared to the amount of time it tells us what to eat and what to wear. And that’s a small fraction of the instruction to be grateful for this life and to take care of each other.
I hope you have great holidays. I hope the preparations don’t make you crazy. I hope you have enough money to spend on fabulous gifts for those dear to you. And if you have any left over, I hope you’ll consider some tzedakah of your own, for those who can use a little faith.
Martha Thomases, Media Goddess, has a very short wish list this year, and hopes to one day want more.
Rene
December 3, 2011 - 11:36 am
The way some Christians are obsessed with sexual mores, you’d thing the Bible had whole chapters dedicated to dos and don’ts in regards to sex.
But actually Christian sexual morality has less to do with the Bible and more with Neoplatonic influence in Church authorities and scholars (“you should avoid sensuality”, “the spirit is good, matter is evil”) coupled with remains and throwbacks to morality developed in the Victorian Era.
The Other Frank Miller
December 3, 2011 - 12:14 pm
That so-called Christian group is far from Christian, as are the churches that have been praying (preying?) for Obama’s death. Wishing another dead is a major violation of scripture. You’d think people who consider the Bible the inerrant word of God would know that, but I think they stopped reading after the sexual prohibitions and violence got them off.
Damn! Who put the cynogen in my drinking water?
Mike Gold
December 3, 2011 - 5:31 pm
Interesting that you chose to say that charity is an obligation to Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and pagans, but you chose to place a limit on those atheists who feel such an obligation. I certainly have not noticed atheists to be any less charitable than Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and pagans, and I’m curious as to the reason for your painting us in such light.
Martha Thomases
December 3, 2011 - 6:01 pm
I hadn’t meant to demean atheists, but rather to suggest that there is no codified rule of ethics for them. If you show me the Big Book for Atheists, I’ll amend my remarks.
MOTU
December 3, 2011 - 6:17 pm
I love Christmas-you can tell by the article I wrote yesterday!
MOTU
December 3, 2011 - 6:17 pm
PLUG!
Mike Gold
December 3, 2011 - 6:52 pm
Martha, I see you’re still plugging DC’s Factoid Books line.
Actually, there are plenty Big Books for Atheists. Richard Dawkins, Emma Goldman, Peter Kropotkin, Ron Reagan, Douglas Adams, Isaac Asimov, Dave Berry, Arthur C. Clark, Tom Disch, Harlan Ellison, Stephen Fry, Robert Graves, Graham Greene, Paul Krassner, John Mortimer, Joyce Carol Oates, George Orwell, Camille Paglia, Terry Prachett, Dan Savage, Robert Louis Stevenson, Matt Taibbi, Kurt Vonnegut… To name but a very few.
You gotta admit, we’ve got some really great writers there. Some of whom are or where friends of mine. AND yours. Most were or are very charitable (notice I didn’t mention the evil Ayn Rand). But if you’re looking for Big GUIDE Books for Atheists, let’s start with Dan Savage and Paul Krassner and then let’s talk.
Martha Thomases
December 3, 2011 - 6:54 pm
Mike, many of those folks are great writers, but I don’t think any one of them claim to be the definitive atheist, in the way that the Bible (or the Koran) is supposed to be the definitive word of God. I am reminded of Will Rogers, who said he didn’t belong to any organized political party –he was a Democrat.
Mike Gold
December 3, 2011 - 7:00 pm
Which bible are you referring to as definitive? There are lots of different versions. You’d think there would be only one definitive version of anything, but that’s certainly not the case with the bible.
Hell, there are lots of different versions of the definitive Ten Commandments.
If there’s a definitive word of god, he/she/it/they is/are certainly keeping it to his/her/its/their self. Selves.
Martha Thomases
December 3, 2011 - 7:03 pm
Well, yes, that’s sort of my point.
I don’t think there are congregations of atheists who meet, recite in unison (often in a language they don’t understand), and sing songs. Maybe I’m wrong. If they do this, and if they accept the word of one person standing at an altar, who claims to speak for a higher authority, with extra added learning, then I don’t know about this phenomena.
Mike Gold
December 3, 2011 - 7:09 pm
Most gathering of atheists I’ve been to have been a lot like most gathering of Ashkenazi I’ve been to, which, actually, is only fitting. Get 10 of us together in conversation and you’ll get at least 11 points of view on everything and an endless but often amusing (for a while) debate on each point.
Not a lot of alters, but we don’t have a lot of buildings to put ’em in. Atheists, I guess, aren’t big on real estate. We don’t have that “I live in a shithouse, I don’t have to pray in one” thing going on.
But we’re really flexible when it comes to dogma… short of saying “Holy shit, there IS a god after all.” At that point, you’re pretty much out of the country club.
Steve Atkins
December 3, 2011 - 10:26 pm
Atheists don’t have songs to sing on holidays. Then again, they have never awakened me at 9AM on a Saturday to convince me NOT to believe in a deity.
Interesting list of atheists from Mike Gold:
Richard Dawkins – Loved him on Family Feud
Peter Kropotkin – Of the New Hampshire Kropokins, of course.
Ron Reagan – “Well…”
Douglas Adams – Of Get Smart fame.
Isaac Asimov – Robots would have never been the same.
Dave Berry – I loved reading his column.
Arthur C. Clark – His god is full of stars. That’s what he wrote, anyway.
Harlan Ellison – I love this guy! Brilliant author who would probably tell me to go sh*t in my hat if we ever spoke.
Stephen Fry – Only a little bit. I usually like to add a bit of Laurie, too.
Robert Graves – Who did not choose to accept Him…
Graham Greene – The Native American actor?
George Orwell – I heard his sequel novel, 1985, wasn’t as good.
Robert Louis Stevenson – From M*A*S*H*…
That’s about it. Now, I am going to go back to reading THE definitive version of the Bible: The King Biscuit Version. It’s narrated by the late Rufus Thomas, who was actually present through most these events…Although I don’t recall The Garden Of Eden being near Beale Street…
Doug Abramson
December 4, 2011 - 1:14 am
Martha,
I think that Dawkins would be glad to call himself the definitive Atheist. The man preaches his beliefs more than some Bible thumpers.
Doug Abramson
December 4, 2011 - 1:25 am
I just saw this story. Another example of the self righteous:
http://www.newser.com/story/134576/believers-find-atheists-as-untrustworthy-as-rapists.html
Rene
December 4, 2011 - 6:20 am
Well, the whole point of being an atheist is not having one big book telling you how to live your life. So Thank God (hehe) Atheists don’t have such book.
Not sure I’d consider myself an atheist, though. I’m more like, I suppose there is a creator and a reason for it all, but I don’t think any of us poor fuckers can ever know for sure, and I really doubt He is the Christian God, who is just the costruction of the prejudices and expectations of specific societies.
Howard Cruse
December 4, 2011 - 9:10 am
In my opinion, Martha, you are prevailing in your argument with Mike about atheists. Atheists have in common with religious folks in that some are generous of spirit and some are not. Atheists differ from all the theists, however, in that they make no assumption that some external cosmic will exists that impels them to be generous of spirit — with or without instructions from one or more Big Books.
JosephW
December 5, 2011 - 1:05 am
Sorry, Martha, but the very fact that there are so many competing versions of God simply proves the fact that there isn’t one at all. If there were, why would He/She/It not just simply show up and make His/Her/Its believers follow the SAME EXACT PLAN? It’s a pretty pitiful deity who can’t even keep all of its followers on the same path.
Martha Thomases
December 5, 2011 - 6:27 am
@JosephW: I’m not trying to make a case for the existence of a God. I’m not sure I believe in one (or more). And I’m not trying to (you should pardon the expression) demonize atheists. I’m trying to say that many people who claim to follow an organized religion instead pick and choose what they want from their chosen creed.
Mike Gold
December 5, 2011 - 6:56 am
“Demonize atheists.” That’s pretty good, actually.
Then again, a lot of Christians confuse atheists with devil-worshippers. Lots of people, including my late father, can’t wrap their brains around the definition of atheism. They cannot conceive of people not living under the thumb of a “higher power.”
I get this. I can’t conceive of people not living with barbecue. But I haven’t elevated Arthur Bryant to the level of godhood.
Well, not yet. I’m getting older every day.